"From our own work and from a review of the literature, we believe that pure LSD ingested in moderate doses does not damage chromosones in vivo, does not cause detectable genetic damage, and is not a tetrogen or a carcinogen in man."
~ LSD and Genetic Damage
, 1971. Dishotsky et al.
"The available data suggest that pure LSD does not cause chromosomal abnormalities, spontaneous abortions, or congenital malformations."
~ Drugs in Pregnancy and Lactation
, 2008. Briggs et al.
We are not talking only about LSD here. The other problem with this research is that in the real world (as opposed to the laboratory) one never acquires pure LSD from drug dealers.
Teaching tantra or Madhyamaka to the uninitiated can result in psychological trauma. So can watching The Exorcist. Psychology is fragile.
Weak argument (though true to a point), but now you are comparing taking psychedelics to learning Madhyamaka? Your arguments are becoming more and more brittle.
Both of these are incredibly weak claims, obviously not true in all cases (in today's world taking all sorts of drugs clearly improves sociability in many cases, whether MDMA on a night out or caffeine and nicotine in the workplace).
So you think we can make everybody happier and more sociable by feeding them MDMA (and overlooking the damage it does to serotonin transporters, memory loss, liver damage, etc and all the other post usage after effects?). Or maybe we get everybody to smoke and drink coffee to up their work performance (and overlook the health issues and what happens when they start going into withdrawal in the workplace?)
Memory loss is mainly, perhaps only, directly linked to cannabis - which also has beneficial implications in the treatment of chronic pain, OCD, Tourettes, glaucoma, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, naseau, asthma, epilepsy, depression, anxiety, addiction withdrawal, post-polio syndrome, Alzheimers etc.
A little more research will show you that memory loss is definitely not linked solely to marijuana use. As for medical usage, I am not denying that some of these drugs have a medical use (LSD was originally developed to deal with migranes) all I have been saying is that they are not a valid replacement nor are they an aid for meditative practice.
It probably wasn't LSD. At the very least, it probably wasn't solely LSD. Mixing up prescriptions can kill you, there is no reason why mixing other drugs wouldn't.
Whatever, I can’t prove it was pure LSD you can’t prove it wasn’t so we are wasting our time on this point. Are you under the impression that pure LSD is commercially available anyway?
People don't actually think they can fly, turn into a glass of orange juice etc. Part of the medical definition of a psychedelic and hallucinogenic drug is that they leave the intellect mostly in tact, or occasionally increased in capacity. This is the case with classical psychedelics, like LSD etc., and their analogues.
This is bullshit, anybody that has taken psychedelics can verify to you that this statement is crap. The first time you take LSD (for example) you feel that you are NEVER going to be able to think straight again.
Datura, Ketamine, GBH, PCP, Ibogaine and similar are deliriants and/or dissociatives, not psychedelics proper. Unlike pure psychedelics, they produce "true" hallucinations, that is, fantasies indistinguishable from reality, with only some (or none) of the reputed effects of classic psychedelics.
So hallucination and deliria are now two separate things?
Anything is dangerous to the unitiated and unprepared.
Sipping a cup of Earl Grey tea with my old aunt on a Sunday afternoon is not dangerous for the uninitiated and unprepared. Sitting uninitiated and unprepared for a session of Anapanasati meditation is not dangerous.
… People don't sell their bodies on the streets so that they can buy the next Call of Duty or whatever.
You are sure that they don’t? I know that they do. I have seen it.
The key difference is that psychological addiction is always symptomatic of something else. Whereas physical addiction is not necessarily.
What a ridiculous statement. In order to become physically addicted to heroin (for example) there has to be a social or psychological motivation for continuous use. All forms of addiction are symptomatic. It’s not like you wake up one day physically addicted to a substance.
… but never is it the singular cause.
I agree 100%
Some psychedelics, under the right conditions, can induce a state of mind which is -the- ideal state of mind, and what Buddha actually means, what every religion has a word for, albeit temporarily.
And this is the point where our opinions polarize, I believe that psychedelics do not induce an ideal state of mind. Quite the contrary actually.
Note that your extensive intellectual and personal experience is based on not actually taking any of these substances yourself.
Here you are referring to yourself, yes? Because, I think you will find, if you read my earlier “autobiographical” response to Karma Dhondrup Tashi, that I have taken the substances myself and no longer take the substances because I know from direct personal, and intellectual, experience that they do not in any way help one achieve real meditative experience.
PS Comparing the actions of Venerable Thich Quang Duc to a psychedelic crazed tripper jumping into a bonfire is neither valid nor tasteful in any way.
With the eye of wisdom we discover a lot of anger in us, any amount of jealousy, resentment, ignorance, desire - mountains of emotion whose existence we would never have suspected in ourselves... We recognize that most of the faults we perceive in others are only the mirror of our own negativity, the reflection of our own disturbed feelings... At the same time, we relieve the world around us of the burden of our own negative judgements."
Gendun Rinpoche Heart Advice from a Mahamudra Master