Do you think you ever met Arahant?

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Postby PeterB » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:56 am

There is a whole raft of beliefs which would prevent a Christian from acheiving Arahantship.
Curiously though according to many Mahayana teachers , those same beliefs would not stop a Christian from being a Bodhisattva.

Clearly we are talking about two very different concepts of Buddhist realisation.

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Postby Monkey Mind » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:08 pm

"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Postby Monkey Mind » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:17 pm

After I posted that, it occurred to me that I already know the answer... Rinpoches....
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Monkey Mind » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:12 pm

"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:22 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Ben » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:31 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Tex » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:26 am

I suspect it doesn't matter.

I'm sure the Buddha had his reasons for requiring that monks not disclose attainments to the laity, and I also take that to indicate that I, as a layman, should refrain from speculating on others' attainments.

:anjali:
"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Dan74 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:36 am

When I first met my teacher I thought she might've been enlightened. I am sure if I told her now she'd laugh her head off!

But what she did have is a quality of clarity and presence I had not encountered before. And like others have said what yardstick have we got to measure the degree of other people's enlightenment except for some standards in the scriptures that we may not be in the position to verify. So we might tend to think the most enlightened person we know is an arahat.

If that person is indeed close to arahatship, then placing your trust in him or her and worshiping them as a living embodiment of the ideal one is striving toward may actually be really helpful for practice (e.g. guru devotion).

(I don't know why I am the de facto Vajrayana advocate on this forum. Vajrayana seems to be the favourite whipping boy of Buddhist schools here and no one else seems to want to stand up for it.)
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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:01 am

how would i even know?
most people dont even have a firm grasp over the nature of their own mind from moment to moment how can they possibly be expected to know the quality of another's?
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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:30 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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