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Plants ~ Borderline Beings?

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Re: Plants ~ Borderline Beings?

Postby Fede » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:15 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

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Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Place of plants in the order of beings

Postby Sekha » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:10 pm

Some rules of the patimmokkha are set to keep mindful of not harming plants. But how far are they from other beings in terms of potentiality for enlightenment? Do they have a mind? Is there transmigration for plants? Can they somehow switch to animal life? I guess we could find cases of living beings about which it is difficult to decide whether they belong to the animal or to the vegetal reign... what do you think?
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Re: Place of plants in the order of beings

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Postby Sekha » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:02 pm

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Re: Place of plants in the order of beings

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:32 pm

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Re: Place of plants in the order of beings

Postby Sekha » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:40 pm

thank you
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Postby Sekha » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:50 am

I understand, but the point for me was rather to know whether a particular being has a chance to become enlightened some time in the future or not.
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Re: Place of plants in the order of beings

Postby chownah » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:59 pm

Could it be possible that the Buddha prohibits monks from harming plant because having monks going around damaging plants (some of which were planted and tended even though it might not be obvious to a monk) would be a nuisance to a person or community and in general set a bad example for everyone in general and have nothing to do with plants having a potential to do anything?
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Plant Life

Postby Parth » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:00 pm

Have a doubt, where does the plant life figure in the rebirth cycle. Plant life does not seem to have been covered in any of the 32 realms of existence.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby cooran » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:18 pm

Hello parth,

The Abhidhamma explores this matter further. Read about Jivita-indriya (life faculty) here:
http://www.phathue.com/buddhism/dharma- ... ipa-day-5/

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Re: Plant Life

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:17 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby cooran » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:33 pm

Hello Ron,

Slightly exaggerated example. I go through automatic doors when entering my work place They are triggered by my footsteps on the mat in front of them. I have never felt that this means they are 'beings' or that I could be reborn as an automatic door. Certainly plants are alive, like bacteria, but according to the Teachings we cannot be re-born as one. Similarly we cannot be re-born as a cabbage or a tomato plant.

Best to stick with what the Buddha taught - a Sammasambuddha.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:08 am

Dear Ron-The-Elder,

thanks for sharing your explanations and do not give up! The issue is most important for our self (the human family).
There are indeed factors which makes one to be called an elder.

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Dear friends,

so a plant comes to "existence" out of which reason?
I guess it does not exist out of it self.

Well it can not argue, scream or hurt like other beings but just as I had observed by my self I could not call them mindless. I would not bet on it that there is a second circle of life which is special for plants, but maybe a higher realm :-)
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_


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