Renounced Catholicism

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Re: Renounced Catholicism

Postby alwayson » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:32 am

Epistemes wrote:While Chandrakirti's consequential argument ad absurdum may ultimately prove the nothingness of my partner, myself and the moments we've shared in pleasure and pain, such an absurd life brings me more joy than any Indian thesis ever could.




How can you say Buddhism is not for you, when you don't even understand it?

Right now your partner popped into your head as a mere conceptual construct, as you typed that. That is the very definition of sunyata.

Even if your partner is standing in front of you, her thoughts and emotions are constantly fluctuating, yet your conceptual construct of her is relatively stable.

Thus there is a discrepency between thoughtforms and reality.
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Re: Renounced Catholicism

Postby ground » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:38 am

Epistemes wrote:Tonight I acknowledged to myself and to my partner that I am breaking away from Catholicism for good and am devoting myself strictly to learning and practicing the dharma.


What's the use of religious denominations? "Formerly I have been 'this' and now I am 'that'"


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Re: Renounced Catholicism

Postby edearl » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:49 am

Epistemes wrote:If meditation has afforded me one thing, it's afforded me the luxury of allowing me to be honest with myself rather than go on putting up some scharade. The biggest scharade is trying to live life by some supramundane ethical consequence. It's not that I'm an unethical or immoral person by Western standards, but I lack self-control and I find more freedom in being myself than restraining thoughts or speech for fear of karma. As a Christian, I spit in the face of sin, and now I say karma come what may.

Buddhism isn't the path for me. ....

I've learned a lot about Buddhism, but it's not for me. I don't suspect anything is but the play of life.


Being honest with oneself is important, and a good position to be in when one contemplates other aspects of living in this world, as I infer you are doing from reading your posts. Your posts confuse me, as if you have been cast into a body of water at night, and you are swimming in one direction and then another trying to find something solid to stand on. For example, you say that you are neither immoral nor unethical, but you spit in the face of sin and say karma come what may.

Labeling yourself as Christian, Jew, Buddhist, ape, donkey or elephant is not particularly important. People are too complex for an iconic label to fully describe them. People are a mixture of many things including good and bad. It is important to live ones life to be as happy (free from suffering) as possible. I infer you are already contemplating how you want to live your life, which is a Buddhist process whether you become Buddhist or not. I believe you will find your way, but it may be a long and circuitous route. At least, finding my way, after I gave up Christianity and religion, was a long and circuitous route, but I am a better happier person than I would have been otherwise; though, I'm still working on it.

may all your decisions be good ones

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Re: Renounced Catholicism

Postby Epistemes » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:57 am

alwayson wrote:

How can you say Buddhism is not for you, when you don't even understand it?

Right now your partner popped into your head as a mere conceptual construct, as you typed that. That is the very definition of sunyata.

Even if your partner is standing in front of you, her thoughts and emotions are constantly fluctuating, yet your conceptual construct of her is relatively stable.

Thus there is a discrepency between thoughtforms and reality.


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Re: Renounced Catholicism

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:57 am

Buddha never promulgated Buddh-ISM anyway.
He merely described the truth about the way things are.
If you know your own mind, that's the important thing.

People often look for religions or philosophies that define them,
that tell them who they are or what label they should wear,
but the Buddha never taught that.

2500 years of "Buddhism" may or may not be for you
but the truth that Buddha taught
is always at your disposal.
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Re: Renounced Catholicism

Postby Thug4lyfe » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:41 am

Congradulations!!! Although be aware that Buddhism is a teaching that encourages progressively learning. Do not dive into the teachings about emptiness etc straight away like some people suggest.

At the begainning there are similarities with Catholicism concerning morality, hell and heaven etc. At those are very good teachings and practices. Getting into the teaching of emptiness etc too quickly will make you very arrogant and you neglect your ethnical behaviour.
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