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 Post subject: Thich Nhat Hahn
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:17 pm 
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At the moment I'm practising soto Zen/zazen which I often find very hard. I love reading books by Thich Nhat Hahn and was wondering if his Zazen differs from the Japanese Soto school? If so how does his tradition do it? Also what is his tradition called?


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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Greg_the_poet wrote:
At the moment I'm practising soto Zen/zazen which I often find very hard. I love reading books by Thich Nhat Hahn and was wondering if his Zazen differs from the Japanese Soto school? If so how does his tradition do it? Also what is his tradition called?


Hi Greg,

His school is Linji Chan -- Rinzai in Japanese, Lâm Tế in Vietnamese. It differs from Soto in some significant ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Thanks lazy, gassho :)


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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Lazy_eye wrote:
Greg_the_poet wrote:
At the moment I'm practising soto Zen/zazen which I often find very hard. I love reading books by Thich Nhat Hahn and was wondering if his Zazen differs from the Japanese Soto school? If so how does his tradition do it? Also what is his tradition called?


Hi Greg,

His school is Linji Chan -- Rinzai in Japanese, Lâm Tế in Vietnamese. It differs from Soto in some significant ways.

Best regards,

Lazy


Well, in lineage terms, it descends from Linji, yes. But don't expect it to therefore conform to some notion of Tang or Song dynasty Linji, such as it focusing on gong'an, or the legendary "shouting and beating".

Best to say that his tradition is "The Order of Interbeing", after all, that's what he himself refers to. It is part of the whole modernist movement of Chinese / Vietnamese / etc. Buddhism that has arisen in the 20th CTY.

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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:22 pm 
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There are so many schools of Zen, let alone Buddhism. It makes me laugh :D


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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Huifeng wrote:
Well, in lineage terms, it descends from Linji, yes. But don't expect it to therefore conform to some notion of Tang or Song dynasty Linji, such as it focusing on gong'an, or the legendary "shouting and beating".

Best to say that his tradition is "The Order of Interbeing", after all, that's what he himself refers to. It is part of the whole modernist movement of Chinese / Vietnamese / etc. Buddhism that has arisen in the 20th CTY.


Thank you, Ven. Huifeng. Are all these modernist schools Linji by lineage (hey, that sounds rather catchy!)? Is all surviving Caodong via Dogen and Japan?

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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Lazy_eye wrote:
Huifeng wrote:
Well, in lineage terms, it descends from Linji, yes. But don't expect it to therefore conform to some notion of Tang or Song dynasty Linji, such as it focusing on gong'an, or the legendary "shouting and beating".

Best to say that his tradition is "The Order of Interbeing", after all, that's what he himself refers to. It is part of the whole modernist movement of Chinese / Vietnamese / etc. Buddhism that has arisen in the 20th CTY.


Thank you, Ven. Huifeng. Are all these modernist schools Linji by lineage (hey, that sounds rather catchy!)? Is all surviving Caodong via Dogen and Japan?


Probably most of them are, simply because for the past few centuries, the majority of formal lineages in China (and Vietnam I think) were Linji.
But there are some others, too. And also the revival of the Weiyang school with Ven Xuyun (Hsu Yun) in the 20th CTY.

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