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three doors to liberation

Postby Aemilius » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:28 am

Shunyata; emptiness
Animittata; signlessness
Apranihitata; wishlessness

Among these Shunyata is most famous & well known, but now we turn our attention to Animittata or Signlessness. The source of yogachara is the meditation instructions on Signlessness. This means that a Sign is Dependent nature, paratantra; on it mind imagines all kinds of things, this is Imaginary nature, parikalpita; absence of signs is Truly Established nature; Parinishpanna; and it is also the door to liberation called Signlessness, animittata. Hence it is natural that the important cittamatra/yogachara sutra named Lankavatara speaks a lot about Signlessness.

Meditation instructions concerning Apranihitata or Wishlessness are the source of Mahamudra school and Mahamudra lineage, it is like an ultimate passivity, not changing or altering anything that appears, and so on. Thus there is also fear and dread toward the state of wishlessness, you have to make dozens of good wishes, dedication prayers and aspirations after a short meditation on wishlessness! Apranihitata has also been called directionlessness.

These three doors have caused the arising of different lineages and different schools of meditation instructions. They are a natural development that has arisen from the oral instructions of Bhagavan Shakyamuni.
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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby mudra » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:49 am

In commentaries on the Heart Sutra that I received there is also reference to these three doors.

However I don't recall there being reference to Yogacara specifically, in fact it was presented more from a Madyamaka pov overall. Interesting, thanks.

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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby meiji1 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:36 am

I think my understanding is off. What does 'signlessness' refer to? The best I can guess is 'empty of appearance' but shouldn't that just fall under emptiness?

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Re: three doors to liberation

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Re: three doors to liberation

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: three doors to liberation

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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby Aemilius » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:10 am

I understand intentionlessness to be a state of the subject, primarily. Of the early sutras for ex An 11.17, Dasama sutta, is an interesting Mahamudra -type of discourse, it says that dhyanas are willed and fabricated, which sounds like a normal mahamudra discourse, one should get beyond them to a state that is unfabricated, unwilled, !
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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:24 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:30 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby Anonymous X » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:46 am

All good teachings! :good:

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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby White Lotus » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:57 pm

Is it possible to simplify signlessness into "wordlessness": non thought? To have no conceptual thought about any doctrine in particular. If not can you please explain simply why 'sign' is not used in the traditional sense of a 'word'. Tom. :?:
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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby Aemilius » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:34 am

Signlessness is different. It is like this, here are three lines: A. Objectively there is no sign "A".
The signification or apprehending there a sign takes place in your consciousness. Objectively there are only three lines.
The apprehending "a line", or "three lines", is also a construction in your mind.
You learn signs and their meanings all through your life starting from childhood. Signs do not exist without learning them. They are dependent on culture, signs exist and have meanings because of culture. For example, you can look at Egyptian hieroglyphs without experiencing anything at all. And similarly with other ancient or modern systems of signs and writing that are unfamiliar to you.
There are also other systems of signs than writing, for example the military or other uniforms, that signify a position, role or profession in a society and culture.
This is one possible explanation of signs and signlessness, the basic idea or explanation comes from Robert Thurman.
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Re: three doors to liberation

Postby White Lotus » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:12 pm

'A' is a sign made of three lines. Its meaning and use is dependent on culture and context. Every word is a sign, signifying a reality. To be signless is to see the emptiness or ungraspability of all signs. How does the realisation that all signs are signless contribute to liberation? :anjali:
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