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What is the lay follower to do?

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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:00 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:25 am

When the Buddha was asked about wrong livlihood he declined to answer unless pushed to respond, and even when pushed didn't say a livelyhood was wrong, but the motivation behind the livelyhood had to be correct.

there are two suttas I know of, on regarding a military man and an actor but cant remember where they are precicely.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

Postby chownah » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:23 pm

"Without support, they will go broke quickly and end up homeless."

I think this is a good idea....go into homelessness...aka becoming a monk.....

People advance because of conditions...if your condition needs changing then change it....if you can't change it or don't want to change it then "oh well".....people mostly are not stuck in one place although I am well aware of the third world and that many people in fact are stuck in one place. For those that can not move then my advise is do what you must to survive...for those who can move then maybe a move is in order. I now live half way around the world from where I was born and it happened because I saw that a move was needed....so focused my life goals on moving....and then after many years I made the move.....but just so that I don't mislead anyone; I eat meat almost every day...and am helping my wife raise cows which of course will mostly be eaten.

By the way....if I help my wife raise cows but they are her cows and not mine then am I guilty of wrong livelihood....?...
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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

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Re: What is the lay follower to do?

Postby chownah » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:04 pm

Ok....engaged in then.
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