Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

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Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Fa Dao » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:23 pm

Does anyone know if ChNNR's book "Teachings on Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins" has any more details on these practices than does the Precious Vase book? Maybe I am just a little slow but there are a number of minor points that I am not clear about and it is probably not a good idea to discuss them in an open forum.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Pero » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:43 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby padma norbu » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:07 pm

I have both books. I don't think either is much clearer than the other. I also don't do them.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby heart » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:23 am

These things are difficult to learn from a book.

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Pero » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:31 am

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby heart » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:40 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Pero » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:11 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby padma norbu » Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:57 pm

I first did them with the sangha for a couple hours. We tried a few different ones. I left thinking :zzz:

Reminded me of a cat chasing a laser pointer.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby heart » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:03 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Pero » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:03 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:09 pm

It is nice to know that I am not the only one who has a little difficulty doing these various practices from a book and wondering if I am doing it correctly or not.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby padma norbu » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:37 pm

I don't really understand why they are necessary, tbh. At least the ones I've done.
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Kelwin » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:55 pm

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby padma norbu » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:38 pm

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Kelwin » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:07 pm

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:10 pm

In regards to these perhaps someone knowledgeable can answer this for me...
4 thuns=1 day of practice
how much time per thun?
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby heart » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:11 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby heart » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:12 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:19 pm

cool..thanks Magnus
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Re: Lojongs, Rushens, and Semdzins

Postby padma norbu » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:46 pm

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron


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