You think I sound like a blind faith Buddhist, how so?Acchantika wrote:
Just keep in mind that if the Buddha hadn't earnestly challenged the notions presented to him, he'd still be a Hindu.
/magnus
You think I sound like a blind faith Buddhist, how so?Acchantika wrote:
Just keep in mind that if the Buddha hadn't earnestly challenged the notions presented to him, he'd still be a Hindu.
OK Andrew. Here is the flipside. Can nueroscience explain how consciousness itself comes into being based on [brain] matter? I don't think it can. Why? Consciousness is not solely based on matter. In the human experience, it uses the brain because of the physiology of the human race. In devas, it does not use a brain per se. In the bardo, it does not use a brain. Those Anagamis in the pure abodes only consist of mentallity, no material base whatsoever in their experience, and so on.Andrew108 wrote:All buddhist paths (including Dzogchen) are inferred until one has a direct experience that isn't brain-based. This is really something amazing. An experience going beyond brain. If we say that it is only conditioned mind that is transcended in the sense that it is replaced with an understanding of our real nature then we can't be sure that this 'real-nature' discovery is brain-based or not. Can you see how deep this question goes? It's pretty much a crucial question which can't easily be ignored if one is interested in genuine realization.
In Dzogchen almost all of the secret methods for having direct experience are related to overcoming attachment to the brain. So this is really not a trivial point at all. One must accept that ALL brain-based experiences are falsely drawn. I can see how this realization might be quite frightening for many but this is where the path leads.
Separating nature of mind from ordinary mind conceptually is not so difficult - but separating nature of mind from empty/appearing brain is in a whole different league.
The consciousness that gets purified is the one that is not solely based on matter. The nature of mind is not based on matter. Then in terms of realization - the realization is not based on matter.Virgo wrote:Consciousness is not solely based on matter.
In losing nature busy mind get satisfactions.Andrew108 wrote: This reminds me of part of a song my teacher sang - ''let go and go where no-mind goes'....Let go into spaciousness - go as far as the brain can go - then leave it there. Then where are you? Where is ego? So the brain and it's cognitive scope only goes so far but nature of mind goes much further in that it collapses whatever view or experience we want to hold onto.
This has been a very interesting discussion for me and very useful thanks.
I wasn't trying to imply that. Just that reincarnation and the explanantion of its operation by Tibetans are not the same, such that examining one does not mean refuting the other.heart wrote:You think I sound like a blind faith Buddhist, how so?Acchantika wrote:
Just keep in mind that if the Buddha hadn't earnestly challenged the notions presented to him, he'd still be a Hindu.
/magnus
Unfortunately I have to disagree. I think it is more than that. I think concepts are also brain-based. Would you agree?Sönam wrote:As ChNN explains it clearly, brain is "only" a senses storage unit.
Andrew108 wrote:Unfortunately I have to disagree. I think it is more than that. I think concepts are also brain-based. Would you agree?Sönam wrote:As ChNN explains it clearly, brain is "only" a senses storage unit.
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean to say that concepts are too quick to be brain-based?Namdrol wrote:I don't see how -- concepts are the basic unit of measuring time in Buddhism. One concept lasts a kṣana, and a kṣana is 1/75th (00.0013) of a second.
No, neurons transmit about at .5 m/s, whereas a concept, according to this, last about 1.3 m/s.Andrew108 wrote:I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean to say that concepts are too quick to be brain-based?Namdrol wrote:I don't see how -- concepts are the basic unit of measuring time in Buddhism. One concept lasts a kṣana, and a kṣana is 1/75th (00.0013) of a second.
That what I said, concepts are part of the deluded mind ... using the brain to become "I"Andrew108 wrote:Unfortunately I have to disagree. I think it is more than that. I think concepts are also brain-based. Would you agree?Sönam wrote:As ChNN explains it clearly, brain is "only" a senses storage unit.
mind, in his deluded version, uses what is stored in brain (recently or before) to identify "I" and "others". What you call concepts is just the result of differenciation between "I" and "others".Andrew108 wrote:So they are both brain-based and deluded mind based?
brain is a storage device ...Andrew108 wrote:So deluded mind exists outside of the brain but has access to it?