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They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:51 am

Roy Davis is dead!

Georgia's responsibles are killers, they could avoid that murder.
American President Obama is a killer, he could avoid that murder.
Majority of American citizen are killers, they could avoid that murder.

USA is not the great country american citizen think it is ... that's a lie.

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Re: They killed him!

Postby Acchantika » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:31 am

Apparently, his last words, to his executioners, were: "God bless you". No blame.

Perhaps we should take from his example and extend compassion and understanding instead of more blame, no?
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:04 pm

Acchantika wrote:Apparently, his last words, to his executioners, were: "God bless you". No blame.

Perhaps we should take from his example and extend compassion and understanding instead of more blame, no?


compassion is there, it does not mean obscurantism. Understnading what ? This man is no the first, and as things goes will not be the last. This is not the first time the world is asking america to stop killing, at least presumed innocents.
And the worst is "mister great president". Hope americans will understand that he is just like the others ... he want to be reelected, and f. the human rights.

... and yes I'm angry.
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Jikan » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:38 pm

The death penalty is a mistake, of course. This was a terrible decision by the State of Georgia.

But to your point, Sonam:

If only there was a grassroots organization in America, one whose rhetoric calls for protecting the liberty of vulnerable individuals from an overreaching state...

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/ ... ion-record
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:46 pm



yes, and that debate does not speak of the "presumed innocent" cases, even if you are in favor of death penalty.
But as I said the one even more "disgusting" in this story, because of what he representes, because of the long history of death penalty punishing innocent black peoples, is the President, Sir Barack Obama.

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Re: They killed him!

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:49 pm

Sönam wrote:
USA is not the great country american citizen think it is ... that's a lie.



USA is pretty nice place to live, actually.

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Re: They killed him!

Postby Jikan » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:55 pm

Obama couldn't have done anything because of the matrix of federal and state laws.

Here's a comparison case.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 178679.php

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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:33 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Sönam wrote:
USA is not the great country american citizen think it is ... that's a lie.



USA is pretty nice place to live, actually.

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I suppose it depends on who you are ...

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Re: They killed him!

Postby el_chupacabra » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:17 pm

I think his name was Troy Davis btw
(not being able to find anything about Roy Davies I immediately suspected the news had chosen to bury the story!)

The jail stats for the U.S. are pretty incredible - 25% of the global jail population is in the U.S. and when you break it down according to colour/race the figures look even worse. On top of that is the work they do for very little money, its a form of legalized slavery.
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:19 pm



That place is a condo compared to this:

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Re: They killed him!

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:27 pm

el_chupacabra wrote:I think his name was Troy Davis btw
(not being able to find anything about Roy Davies I immediately suspected the news had chosen to bury the story!)

The jail stats for the U.S. are pretty incredible - 25% of the global jail population is in the U.S. and when you break it down according to colour/race the figures look even worse. On top of that is the work they do for very little money, its a form of legalized slavery.



Yup, prisons are big business in the US. But our large prison population is actually a sign of wealth. Poorer nations cannot afford to keep large incarcerated popluations and they cannot afford the police forces that put them there.

This article explains a bit. Salient point:

...The United States, in fact, has relatively low rates of nonviolent crime. It has lower burglary and robbery rates than Australia, Canada and England.

People who commit nonviolent crimes in the rest of the world are less likely to receive prison time and certainly less likely to receive long sentences. The United States is, for instance, the only advanced country that incarcerates people for minor property crimes like passing bad checks, Whitman wrote.


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Re: They killed him!

Postby alwayson » Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:41 pm

"Poor" people in America have an Xbox 360, a fridge and air conditioning.
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:08 pm

Do not agree on the two last ones ... :twothumbsup:

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Re: They killed him!

Postby alwayson » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:29 pm

You think the poor in China, India etc. live better than in America??


Are you French?

How do you picture America?
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:55 pm

alwayson wrote:How do you picture America?


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Re: They killed him!

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:14 pm

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Re: They killed him!

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:23 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case

He shouldn't have been killed. The death penalty is wrong.

However, it is not completely a case of racial discrimination. Seven of the twelve jurors who originally convicted him were Black. But race may have played a part in his denials for appeals and for the higher authorities not granting clemency.

According to the bio info, he had a gun without a permit less than a year from the time of the murder. But there was no physical evidence tying him to the crime scene. And 7 of 9 witnesses later changed their testimony. There probably was enough reasonable doubt to at least have a new trial. Guilty or not, though, he should not have been killed.
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:42 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case

He shouldn't have been killed. The death penalty is wrong.

However, it is not completely a case of racial discrimination. Seven of the twelve jurors who originally convicted him were Black. But race may have played a part in his denials for appeals and for the higher authorities not granting clemency.

According to the bio info, he had a gun without a permit less than a year from the time of the murder. But there was no physical evidence tying him to the crime scene. And 7 of 9 witnesses later changed their testimony. There probably was enough reasonable doubt to at least have a new trial. Guilty or not, though, he should not have been killed.


yes, it's a shame!

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Re: They killed him!

Postby Epistemes » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:42 pm

Sounds like The Sixteenth Round - except with a much different ending.
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Re: They killed him!

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:46 pm

But concerning Obama ... could he interfere? could he say, no it won't happen!, easy or not easy. If it was not for electoralist reasons, could he says no, as far as I am President no one will die from the death penalty? If he was a real great President, could he choose to act so?

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