Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.
Or something like that.
Does anyone remember where that is?
Or something like that.
Does anyone remember where that is?
Re: Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka Became Precominant?
How on earth would it obscure Madhyamaka studies ?alwayson wrote:I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka has obscured Madhyamaka studies.
Or something like that.
Does anyone remember where that is?
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.
Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.
Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
I meant overshadow
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
Ha Ha Ha, just a guess, but I'd say it's in a book with a Kagyu or Nyingma focus...certainly not in any book regarding Tsong Khapa's or Gelukpa presentation of Madhyamika!
In all seriousness, I found Center of the Sunlit Sky to have a lot to say about the "issues," if you're interested in that sort of thing.
In all seriousness, I found Center of the Sunlit Sky to have a lot to say about the "issues," if you're interested in that sort of thing.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
Astus wrote:It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.
Yeah I know, but I'm looking for a specific book that says this.
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".alwayson wrote:Astus wrote:It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.
Yeah I know, but I'm looking for a specific book that says this.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
Perfect.Hayagriva wrote: First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duP4d9Z ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;alwayson wrote:Perfect.Hayagriva wrote: First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
I think you read a wrong bookalwayson wrote:I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.
Or something like that.
Does anyone remember where that is?
All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
I don't disagree....though you should know there are a variety of "interpretations" out there amongst the Tibetan lineages..DarwidHalim wrote:All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka
As Cone says, there are several different interpretations of what that exactly is. Tsongkhapa is certainly unique in view, and this fact has been very important in Tibetan history. There are at least two books about this that are very good indeed - Freedom from Extremes and Center if the Sunlit Sky.DarwidHalim wrote:I think you read a wrong bookalwayson wrote:I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.
Or something like that.
Does anyone remember where that is?
All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell