Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

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Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby alwayson » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:15 pm

I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?

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Re: Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka Became Precominant?

Postby Caz » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:37 pm

alwayson wrote:I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka has obscured Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


How on earth would it obscure Madhyamaka studies ? :crazy:
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby alwayson » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:58 pm

I meant overshadow

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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby conebeckham » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:03 pm

Ha Ha Ha, just a guess, but I'd say it's in a book with a Kagyu or Nyingma focus...certainly not in any book regarding Tsong Khapa's or Gelukpa presentation of Madhyamika!
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In all seriousness, I found Center of the Sunlit Sky to have a lot to say about the "issues," if you're interested in that sort of thing.
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:02 pm

It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby alwayson » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:12 pm

Astus wrote:It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.



Yeah I know, but I'm looking for a specific book that says this.

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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby Paul » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:17 pm

alwayson wrote:
Astus wrote:It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.



Yeah I know, but I'm looking for a specific book that says this.


First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby alwayson » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:32 pm

Hayagriva wrote:First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".


Perfect. :twothumbsup:

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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby Paul » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:36 pm

alwayson wrote:
Hayagriva wrote:First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".


Perfect. :twothumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duP4d9Z ... re=related
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby alwayson » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:43 pm

LOL

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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:41 am

alwayson wrote:I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


I think you read a wrong book :rolling:

All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby conebeckham » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:28 pm

DarwidHalim wrote:All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.


I don't disagree....though you should know there are a variety of "interpretations" out there amongst the Tibetan lineages..
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Re: Gelugpa View Overshadowing Madhyamaka

Postby Paul » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:00 pm

DarwidHalim wrote:
alwayson wrote:I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


I think you read a wrong book :rolling:

All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.


As Cone says, there are several different interpretations of what that exactly is. Tsongkhapa is certainly unique in view, and this fact has been very important in Tibetan history. There are at least two books about this that are very good indeed - Freedom from Extremes and Center if the Sunlit Sky.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
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