Wall Gazing

Wall Gazing

Postby ananda » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:58 am

You ever tried it before ?
What are your thoughts on it as a meditation ?
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin
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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:04 am

What do you mean by "wall gazing"?
"If the Buddha-Nature is seen, there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing."
(Nirvana Sutra, T12n374p521b3; tr Yamamoto)

"Neither cultivation nor seated meditation — this is the pure Chan of Tathagata."
(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby ananda » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:31 am

Wall Gazing as in meditating by gazing at a wall. Like how Bodhidharma is said to have done for several years.
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin
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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:44 am

In Bodhidharma's case "wall gazing" likely meant not a physical posture but maintaining the mind like a wall, that is, without discrimination or attachment to emotions and ideas.
"If the Buddha-Nature is seen, there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing."
(Nirvana Sutra, T12n374p521b3; tr Yamamoto)

"Neither cultivation nor seated meditation — this is the pure Chan of Tathagata."
(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T2076p461b24-26)
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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby Seishin » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:49 pm

What is it called when people meditate facing a wall?

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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:57 pm

There is "wall contemplation" (biguan 壁觀) and there is "facing the wall" (mianbi 面壁). In Bodhidharma's story the two becomes the same eventually. As for why in Soto Zen they rather sit facing the wall and how they call it, I do not know.
"If the Buddha-Nature is seen, there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing."
(Nirvana Sutra, T12n374p521b3; tr Yamamoto)

"Neither cultivation nor seated meditation — this is the pure Chan of Tathagata."
(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T2076p461b24-26)
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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby Malcolm » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:58 pm

Astus wrote:There is "wall contemplation" (biguan 壁觀) and there is "facing the wall" (mianbi 面壁). In Bodhidharma's story the two becomes the same eventually. As for why in Soto Zen they rather sit facing the wall and how they call it, I do not know.



When translated into Tibetan, "faced a wall" was translated as "faced reality".
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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby DGA » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:45 pm

ananda wrote:You ever tried it before ?
What are your thoughts on it as a meditation ?


It's a way to practice. Some find it helpful. I didn't find it contributed particularly myself, anymore than not facing a wall.
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Re: Wall Gazing

Postby tomamundsen » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:02 am

ananda wrote:You ever tried it before ?
What are your thoughts on it as a meditation ?

Yea, I've done a WHOLE LOT of this. This is how we sit in Soto Zen practice.

What are my thoughts on it??? That's a tough question. In short, I'd say it's easier to ensure you don't get distracted with your thoughts.
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