Dharma Wheel

A Buddhist discussion forum on Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism
It is currently Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:32 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 533
I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:37 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:49 am
Posts: 543
alwayson wrote:
I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka has obscured Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


How on earth would it obscure Madhyamaka studies ? :crazy:

_________________
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:58 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 533
I meant overshadow


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:03 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Posts: 2808
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Ha Ha Ha, just a guess, but I'd say it's in a book with a Kagyu or Nyingma focus...certainly not in any book regarding Tsong Khapa's or Gelukpa presentation of Madhyamika!
:smile:


In all seriousness, I found Center of the Sunlit Sky to have a lot to say about the "issues," if you're interested in that sort of thing.

_________________
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:02 pm 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:22 pm
Posts: 4203
Location: Budapest
It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.

_________________
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

"Neither cultivation nor seated meditation — this is the pure Chan of Tathagata."
(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T2076p461b24-26)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:12 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 533
Astus wrote:
It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.



Yeah I know, but I'm looking for a specific book that says this.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:17 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:12 pm
Posts: 1061
alwayson wrote:
Astus wrote:
It could be added how the Tibetan view overshadows other forms of Madhyamaka. However, since it is primarily the Gelug school that upholds Madhyamaka as its central doctrine, and in Tibetan Buddhism they have generally a stronger emphasis on Madhyamaka than anywhere else, it is quite a natural outcome.



Yeah I know, but I'm looking for a specific book that says this.


First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".

_________________
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:32 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 533
Hayagriva wrote:
First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".


Perfect. :twothumbsup:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:36 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:12 pm
Posts: 1061
alwayson wrote:
Hayagriva wrote:
First page of the preface of "Center of the Sunlit Sky".


Perfect. :twothumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duP4d9Z ... re=related

_________________
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 533
LOL


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:04 pm
Posts: 418
alwayson wrote:
I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


I think you read a wrong book :rolling:

All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.

_________________
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:28 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Posts: 2808
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
DarwidHalim wrote:
All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.


I don't disagree....though you should know there are a variety of "interpretations" out there amongst the Tibetan lineages..

_________________
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:00 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:12 pm
Posts: 1061
DarwidHalim wrote:
alwayson wrote:
I thought I read in some book where it talks about how the Gelugpa view of Madhyamaka overshadowed Madhyamaka studies.

Or something like that.

Does anyone remember where that is?


I think you read a wrong book :rolling:

All 4 schools in Tibetan have the view of Madhyamaka Prasangika.


As Cone says, there are several different interpretations of what that exactly is. Tsongkhapa is certainly unique in view, and this fact has been very important in Tibetan history. There are at least two books about this that are very good indeed - Freedom from Extremes and Center if the Sunlit Sky.

_________________
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Asbestos Buddha, Inge, mutsuk, palchi, Sherlock, Tenzin Dorje and 20 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group