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Why there is no re-linking consciousness

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Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby Element » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:16 pm

Modern Theravada is based on a reappraisal of the Pali suttas. Of course, one of the primary instigators of this was Bhikkhu Buddhadasa. As is heard in the video about his life on You Tube, he began a fresh research of the Pali suttas.

In Mahavihara or Sri Lankan Buddhism, which appears rooted in the teachings of Buddhaghosa and the commentaries, there is the notion of relinking consciousness within the cycle of dependent origination. This is similar to Tibetan notions of the 'bardo'.

The suttas unambiguously state without dispute, such as in MN 9, there are six kinds of consciousness, namely, eye, ear, nose, tongue, body & mind consciousness.

The word consciousness itself comes from the Pali word 'vinnana', which means 'direct knowing'. In short, consciousness is cognition. Consciousness is that faculty of mind that allows knowing or experience via the eye, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind. As the Buddha advised in MN 38, there is no arising of consciousness without a sense organ.

If the notion of relinking consciousness is considered, it includes the carrying from one life to the next kammic accumulations.

If the nature of the five aggregates are considered, the capacity of consciousness is merely to know or be aware. The capacity of perception includes memory and the capacity of sankhara khanda is accumulating or storing ignorance & wisdom, merit & demerit. For example, if the question is asked: "What gets enlightened?", the answer is the citta or sankhara khanda.

Therefore, it appears according to basic theory, that consciousness carries with it memories, knowledge, ignorance and the fruits of kamma is impossible.

Consciousness is merely cognition according to the Buddha.

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:06 pm

Greetings Element, all,

Please note, this topic has been moved to the Dhammic free-for-all.

As for comparisons between relinking consciousness and the Tibetan "bardo", if you actually look into it you'll see that the commentarial Theravadin position, strongly influenced by the Abhidhamma Pitaka leaves less scope for the possibility of an intermediate state than do the suttas themselves.

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

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Hi,

Bija-sutta () may also interest you.
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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:06 pm

Hi Element

If there is no re-linking consciousness in the Buddhas teaching, why do you think it was added later? What i mean is where do you think it came from if it crept in?
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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:34 pm

Funny Element, I just compared becoming or birthing to a tumor, or a virus the other day. I was trying to describe it as recurrent rather than eternal.

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby cooran » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:50 pm

Hello all,

Some may be interested in this paper by Ven. Bhikkhu Sujato on Perspectives of Early Buddhism - Rebirth and the In-Between State in Early Buddhism
Note that this paper (as with the others) will only be available for download until 2 February, 2009.
http://www.c2rc.org/papers.php

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