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Virgo
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Chulen

Postby Virgo » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:11 am

http://www.siddhienergetics.com/products/chulen

I know these pills are connected with specific practices. Can people take these pills for health/energy reasons alone, without doing them in conjunction with any specific practice or initiation?

Kavin

Malcolm
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Re: Chulen

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:26 am

Virgo wrote:http://www.siddhienergetics.com/products/chulen

I know these pills are connected with specific practices. Can people take these pills for health/energy reasons alone, without doing them in conjunction with any specific practice or initiation?

Kavin



You can, but that is missing the point, a bit.
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Re: Chulen

Postby alwayson » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:47 pm

Can a nonpractitioner take these pills?

If so, what are the highest quality chulen pills on the market?

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Re: Chulen

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:26 pm

alwayson wrote:Can a nonpractitioner take these pills?

If so, what are the highest quality chulen pills on the market?


If you are looking for mundane rasāyana, then taking Chavyanaprasha regularly is your best bet.

N
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?

-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen

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Re: Chulen

Postby Virgo » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:06 pm

Namdrol wrote:
alwayson wrote:Can a nonpractitioner take these pills?

If so, what are the highest quality chulen pills on the market?


If you are looking for mundane rasāyana, then taking Chavyanaprasha regularly is your best bet.

N

Thank you very much.

Kevin

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Re: Chulen

Postby Epistemes » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:20 pm

Could this replace a daily multivitamin?
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Re: Chulen

Postby Malcolm » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:47 am

Epistemes wrote:Could this replace a daily multivitamin?


Definitely.
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?

-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen

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Re: Chulen

Postby rai » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:31 am

is the idea of rasāyana that we are eating more of things like chulen or Chavyanaprasha and less normal food?
Disdaining the lower and unable to grasp the higher,
talking of emptiness, such a person will neglect cause and effect,
mouthing on about the view while in a state of self-deception.
It would be better to concentrate on the gradual path.

"Creation and Completion" Jamgon Kongtrul

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Re: Chulen

Postby Malcolm » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:06 am

rai wrote:is the idea of rasāyana that we are eating more of things like chulen or Chavyanaprasha and less normal food?



The Ayruvedic/Tibetan medical idea of rasayāna is that one does a week long cleanse; then one relies on a very pure diet combined with a rasayāna preparation like Chavayanaprash.

There is also a more "religious" idea of chulen, where one, having done a similar cleanse, relies on a practice such as White Tara, Amitayus, or Mandarava combined with special chulen pills.

Finally, there are yogic chulens that depend mainly on prāṇāyama exercises.

One can consider these outer, inner and secret rasāyanas. The use of these depends on one's health and needs.

N
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?

-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen

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Re: Chulen

Postby Epistemes » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:43 am

Namdrol wrote:
If you are looking for mundane rasāyana, then taking Chavyanaprasha regularly is your best bet.



Can Chyavanprash be taken alongside Vimala?
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Re: Chulen

Postby Malcolm » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:14 pm

Epistemes wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
If you are looking for mundane rasāyana, then taking Chavyanaprasha regularly is your best bet.



Can Chyavanprash be taken alongside Vimala?



yes
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?

-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen

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Re: Chulen

Postby AilurusFulgens » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:40 pm

Namdrol wrote:
rai wrote:is the idea of rasāyana that we are eating more of things like chulen or Chavyanaprasha and less normal food?



The Ayruvedic/Tibetan medical idea of rasayāna is that one does a week long cleanse; then one relies on a very pure diet combined with a rasayāna preparation like Chavayanaprash.

There is also a more "religious" idea of chulen, where one, having done a similar cleanse, relies on a practice such as White Tara, Amitayus, or Mandarava combined with special chulen pills.

Finally, there are yogic chulens that depend mainly on prāṇāyama exercises.

One can consider these outer, inner and secret rasāyanas. The use of these depends on one's health and needs.

N


Namdrol, do there exist Tibetan texts, which would deal exclusively with Chulen?

In what way does the "religious" chulen differ from a yogic one? And how does a medical one differ from those two just mentioned?

Are the differences just in the substances employed or are there also some other factors at play?

A. Fulgens

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Re: Chulen

Postby Malcolm » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:43 pm

AilurusFulgens wrote:
Namdrol, do there exist Tibetan texts, which would deal exclusively with Chulen?

In what way does the "religious" chulen differ from a yogic one? And how does a medical one differ from those two just mentioned?

Are the differences just in the substances employed or are there also some other factors at play?

A. Fulgens


As for question one:

Yes, many.

Long life practice combined with using blessed pills, without the benefit of the medical approach, is a kind of religious chulen.

Yogic chulen means working with prāṇāyāma.
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?

-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen

AilurusFulgens
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Re: Chulen

Postby AilurusFulgens » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:17 am

Namdrol wrote:
AilurusFulgens wrote:
Namdrol, do there exist Tibetan texts, which would deal exclusively with Chulen?

In what way does the "religious" chulen differ from a yogic one? And how does a medical one differ from those two just mentioned?

Are the differences just in the substances employed or are there also some other factors at play?

A. Fulgens


As for question one:

Yes, many.


Long life practice combined with using blessed pills, without the benefit of the medical approach, is a kind of religious chulen.

Yogic chulen means working with prāṇāyāma.


Could you please quote a few of these texts - I mean the titles? Are any of them translated in any Western language? Have also any scholarly studies or Ph.D. dissertations been done on these texts?

I know that Juergen Aschoff has written a book on one of the aspects of Chulen.

A. Fulgens


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