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External Things and Consciousness Only

Postby Aemilius » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:38 pm

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Re: Is Pure Land "Buddhism" contradictory to Buddhism?

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Re: Is Pure Land "Buddhism" contradictory to Buddhism?

Postby Aemilius » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:59 am

Please see for example the Trimshika Karika of Vasubandhu, which is a traditional presentation of yogachara teachings, or other works of Vasubandhu. They are available in Steven Anacker's Seven Works of Vasubandhu.
The mentioned works of Maitreya/Asanga also exist, they are called Five Works of Maitreya, four of which have been taught and commented on by Venerable Thrangu Rimpoche, and published by Namo Buddha publications. The yogachara view is explained especially in Dharmadharmata Vibhaga , also in the other works of Bodhisattava Maitreya. An important yogachara source is ofcourse the Lankavatara sutra.
What you say is correct, but yogachara has different facets and aspects to it. It does illustrate and describe different levels of accomplishment, this is present in the Lankavatara Sutra too.
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Is Pure Land "Buddhism" contradictory to Buddhism?

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Re: Is Pure Land "Buddhism" contradictory to Buddhism?

Postby Astus » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:06 am

From the interdependent self-nature
Comes discrimination arising from conditions;
The perfection of the fruit comes from
Always being apart from the former nature.

(Trimsika, 21)

The imagined nature is the elephant;
The other-dependent nature is the visual percept;
The non-existence of the elephant therein
Is explained to be the consummate.

(Trisvabhava nirdesa, 28)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Is Pure Land "Buddhism" contradictory to Buddhism?

Postby Huifeng » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:40 am

If I may -

It may be helpful to admit that there are a number of lines of thought in the so-called Yogacara, and there are often differences.
So, rather than stating broad over generalized points like "Yogacara states XXX", or "Yogacara does not claim that YYYY", it may be more useful to indicate an actual text, and restrict the claims or negations to that text alone. Even single authors often changed their point of view across later texts.
Then, rather than just "This is correct, what you said is wrong", you may be able to get a more take on how things pan out over the course of several centuries of Yogacara thought.
Just a suggestion.

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Re: Is Pure Land "Buddhism" contradictory to Buddhism?

Postby Aemilius » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:35 am

I have understood it to be axiomatic to Yogachara that both perceing consciousnesses and the perceived objects are mind, or just mind, Cittamatra. It is ofcourse difficult to break through one's ingrained habitual tendencies that believe in the existence of an outer world. Therefore one has to read the yogachara texts, like Lankavatara sutra, several times, or tens of times, before you actually understand what they say. I have never heard of a Yogachara that believes in the objective existence of matter & material objects! That sounds quite fantastic to me. If you insist I will naturally find quotations to support my understanding.
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What do the Arhats and PratyekaBuddhas see?

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