The Vajra Guru Mantra of Guru Rinpoche

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The Vajra Guru Mantra of Guru Rinpoche

Postby AilurusFulgens » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:14 pm

In order to successfully practise the Vajra Guru mantra (i.e. Om ah hum vajra guru padma siddhi hum) and reach mantrasiddhi in it, does one need to be initiated into this mantra by a qualified Lama, who himself has mantrasiddhi in it or is this mantra a nityasiddha mantra i.e. "eternally or inherently perfect" and can yield the highest mantrasiddhi even to a person, who has not been initiated into it, but chants it devoutly?

The impetus for this question came from the following inspiring story:

http://vajratool.wordpress.com/2011/04/ ... ent-times/

Let us say that your average Joe Sixpack decides one morning to sit down and commit to reciting the Vajra Guru Mantra, that he simply got from the internet and without being initiated into it at, 600 million times with as much devotion as he can muster. Would he then too achieve the remarkable results published in the above blog?

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Postby AilurusFulgens » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:53 pm

Your help is much appreciated, Namdrol, thank you. Please forgive me, if my questions appear somewhat odd, but I would have one additional query.

I do not want to descend into any miracle mongering or anything similar, but I do have a genuine interest in clarifying certain things.

Do in Tibetan Vajrayana exist teachings, which would make it possible to cause Padmasambhava to appear to a sufficiently accomplished practitioner not only in dreams or a meditative vision, but physically and materially in his svarupa (i.e. not under any disguise such as an old farmer, etc.)?

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Postby AlexanderS » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:02 pm

Would it be pointless for me to recite the vajra guru mantra without initiation? Pointless as in little benefit.

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Re: The Vajra Guru Mantra of Guru Rinpoche

Postby pemachophel » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:04 pm

Dear A.F.,

I agree with Namdrol everything he has said in this thread. However, to clarify things just a bit more, in Vajrayana Buddhism, there is initiation (wang) and oral transmission (lung). You do not need wang to say the Vajra Guru mantra. However, lung would be most useful and is typically much easier to obtain. To receive lung, all you need do is receive the mantram aurally from someone who themself has received valid lung and has said the mantra a minimum of 100,000 times. Lung is like hooking up your faucet to the water lines coming from the source (mountains, reservoir, etc.). It confers the blessings of the lineage to say and get the most out of saying the mantra. IOW, lung puts you in the living lineage of the mantra.

For sure, saying the Vajra Guru mantra without lung is beneficial, especially if you say it with Bodhisattvic motivation and faith in Guru Rinpoche. (Just seeing or reading the Vajra Guru mantra is beneficial regardless of whether one knows what it is or whether one ever chooses to say it.) However, saying it with lung is even more beneficial, meaning, all things beings equal, you will experience results much more surely and much faster.

You can get valid lung for the Vajra Guru mantra from any Nyingma Lama and most Nyingma practitioners as well as from most Kagyudpa. Depending on the person, you may even be able to receive the Vajra Guru mantra from Sakyapa and Gelugpa, even potentially from some Bonpos. While it's not necessary to receive lung from a high Lama, the blessings will be greater the more power the person giving the lung personally has with this mantra. I'm not sure where you're located, but it shouldn't be too terribly difficult to receive lung at least to get you going with some increased confidence of having your spiritual water pipes hooked up to the source, i.e., Guru Rinpoche.

Wang is a whole other step up from lung and carries with it not only even greater blessings but also definite life-time commitments.

BTW, I know at least one practitioner here in Colorado who has seen Guru Rinpoche in the form in which He is most commonly depicted. If I remember correctly, I believe he has seen Guru Rinpoche two times.

Good luck and best wishes. :namaste:
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Postby AilurusFulgens » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:41 pm

Thank you Pema Chophel for the elaborate explanation. I will keep in mind what you said.

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Human life spent in
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Re: The Vajra Guru Mantra of Guru Rinpoche

Postby florin » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:22 am

What's the proper way of reciting the OM BENDZA GURU mantra.

Is there a visualization running in parallel with the recitation?
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Postby sangyey » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:43 am

http://www.amazon.com/White-Lotus-Expla ... 600&sr=8-3

White Lotus is a good book explaining the Seven-Line Prayer which includes the Vajra Guru Mantra.


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