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moderate fairly

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:38 pm

It is not fair to allow personal attacks from some users
and delete in-kind responses from other users.

It is not fair to allow some users to question the motives of the monks charged with preserving the scriptures
but disallow other users to question the motives of those users who would question those monks.

Moderate fairly guys, even if you are strongly invested in one side over the other.
- Peter


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Re: moderate fairly

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:45 pm

Moderation, as you know, is not a science. We are trying. It would help for all of us to keep in mind that we can all contribute by a more skillful approach of being mindful of what we say and how we say it.

Of these the worse is he who to one angry
Replies with wrath.
Do not reply with wrath to one who's angry
And win a battle hard to win!
You course then for the weal of both,
Yourself and of the other one.
You understand the other's angry mood,
Remaining mindful and at peace.
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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Annapurna » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:23 pm

I thought it was fair moderation to delete ad hominem attacks. .
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Re: moderate fairly

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Re: moderate fairly

Postby genkaku » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:09 pm

Dear Peter -- I agree with you ... and that is not an ad hominem attack.

"Ad hominem" means "to the man" and refers to comments about hairdos, clothing, and other personal adornments. But the term can be conveniently extended by those who feel under attack to include biases, religions, philosophies and the like. Thus, someone may say something idiotic or questionable about Buddhism and a respondent may question the foundation of the argument without being accused of attacking the (wo)man making that argument.

Of course some people are so attached to their philosophies (some Fundamentalist Christians come to mind, but they are not alone) that they interpret any questioning or counter-argument as a personal, slanderous assault on ... dum-da-dum-dum! ... The Truth. This is as unfortunate as it is common: How can you claim to like me if you don't like what I like?

As suggested above, I think it behooves all of us to think twice about what we may say. But equally, I think it behooves all of us to think twice about what we may hear.
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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Ben » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:10 pm

Hi all

I've been distracted from my mod duties as a result of organising and coordinating an interstate move.

At Dhamma Wheel I have actively encouraged the membership and participation of people from non-Theravadin backgrounds to complement their practice and study by using the facility here to learn about and discuss the Theravada. There are Mahayanist and Vajrayanist practitioners as I am sure there are members who have not taken refuge in the Triple Gem. To ensure that we have an environment that welcomes all so that they may learn and benefit from this unique and precious path, I ask that you be patient, extend generosity of spirit.

Dhamma Wheel is a venue for practitoners to discover and discuss the Theravada. That means, that even in places like the 'lounge' a Theravadin point of view will predominate. Members unfamiliar with the structure of the forums here should review the terms of service and special guidelines for individual fora. Discussions that are acceptable in one forum, maybe completely offtopic in another. The Classical and Abhidhamma sub-fora are for those members who wish to develop a greater understanding of the Abhidhamma and the Tipitaka and the ancient commentaries. In those fora, those sources are considered authoritative for the purposes of discussion. In those fora, personal opinions, personal interpretations based on study or one's faith in the supreme wisdom of a teacher, insights gained from one's own meditative experiences, revelations from contact with devas, are all off-topic. Posts that argue that critique or question the tipitaka, early commentaries and later scholars faithful to the 'classical' point of view are off-topic. I ask that all members respect the boundaries of discussion that is permitted in each fora.

I also ask that all members reflect on what they about to submit and review whether it is faithful to the spirit of mutual respect, friendliness and is beneficial to oneself and others.
Thanks for your time and cooperation.
Metta

Ben
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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Individual » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:43 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Individual » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:46 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Ben » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:54 pm

Thanks Individual

I think the important thing is, as you have suggested, to moderate one's own behaviour.
Because this is a Theravada forum, there will be comparisons between Theravada and the other great traditions. But the place to make those comparisons is not the Classical or Abhidhamma sub-fora. Within fora like General Theravada, Dhamma free-for-all, so long as members remain respectful then the presentation of a non-Theravada point of view for comparison or to give a particular context, is not going to be a problem.

Everyone should feel comfortable here. One should not feel that by entering Dhamma Wheel that it is an exclusive club for Theravadins only. We are all here to learn and for the companionship of our friends on the path. I can say that I owe a great debt of gratitude to my Mahayana and Vajrayana friends for teaching me so much about Buddhism and myself.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:05 pm

I have never seen moderation where it wasn't needed.
I have seen people over react to something said and need moderating as a result.
moderate ourselves and accept that we step out of line and need telling from time to time


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Jechbi » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:51 am

My suggestion is, before you post something about another person's faults, ask yourself whether you would be comfortable sending the message by PM to that person instead, out of the public eye. If the message is really worthwhile, that's going to be more effective anyway. Nobody likes their warts pointed out publicly.

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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:26 am

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Re: moderate fairly

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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:53 am

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Re: moderate fairly

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:48 am

Here is another few tips

try to not be self rightious,
know it all,
or look how $h17 your opinions are in comparison to mine so when moderation is needed the person is crying because they flew off the handle about being the victim when they started it all because of one of the above

Look to ourselves before blaming others


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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