username wrote:No, just focusing on dark garuda as related to ati. On jenang there is brief versions and there are also certain types where getting one gives the key to a whole class as specified by the guru AFAIK.
What do you mean with class?
username wrote:No, just focusing on dark garuda as related to ati. On jenang there is brief versions and there are also certain types where getting one gives the key to a whole class as specified by the guru AFAIK.
For Garuda practice to be effective particularly on it's specialties one needs the action mantra and before doing that effectively one needs either to do a personal intense retreat or over time accumulate large numbers of the mantras of the practice before action mantras work. Same with GreenTara, only then it really works as intended and focused. That is what ChNNR always teaches. Of course one can practice as in general presence and Dzogchen POV as with anything but that's something else. So depends what is meant by practicing it.Pero wrote:he will give lung for the practice of Black Garuda and explanation, and we will be able to practice it.
I was not talking about Red Garuda but the Black Garuda which is what the retreat is about. Rinpoche said that the action mantras in this practice are related to the initiation and so he can't transmit them to people who didn't receive the initiation. And next to that of course, he also said that for the action mantras to function you have to do the main mantra sufficiently first. What is meant by practicing it is transforming oneself into the deity and reciting the mantra and to do that you need the lung and explanation.username wrote:For Garuda practice to be effective particularly on it's specialties one needs the action mantra and before doing that effectively one needs either to do a personal intense retreat or over time accumulate large numbers of the mantras of the practice before action mantras work. Same with GreenTara, only then it really works as intended and focused. That is what ChNNR always teaches. Of course one can practice as in general presence and Dzogchen POV as with anything but that's something else. So depends what is meant by practicing it.Pero wrote:he will give lung for the practice of Black Garuda and explanation, and we will be able to practice it.
That's what I said and it's the same for Red Garuda and specified what he "always teaches" (Red not Black as it's new) also no difference in that regard as you imply. Not effective for it's intended practice targets achievable by the action mantra till very large enough numbers of practice mantra accumulated first.Pero wrote:he also said that for the action mantras to function you have to do the main mantra sufficiently first. What is meant by practicing it is transforming oneself into the deity and reciting the mantra and to do that you need the lung and explanation.
Dude, my point was simply that he said he is not going to transmit the action mantras but he is going to give lung for the main mantra and explanation for the main practice of Black Garuda. And since people will receive this they will be able to practice the main mantra of Black Garuda.username wrote:That's what I said and it's the same for Red Garuda and specified what he usually teaches (Red not Black as it's new) also no difference in that regard as you imply. Not effective for it's intended practice targets achievable by the action mantra till very large enough numbers of practice mantra accumulated first.Pero wrote:he also said that for the action mantras to function you have to do the main mantra sufficiently first. What is meant by practicing it is transforming oneself into the deity and reciting the mantra and to do that you need the lung and explanation.
Not really. I suppose if you wanted you could do the practices in the order they are presented in the Precious Vase.alpha wrote:we know that in the other schools there is the traditional 3 year retreat where one starts with ngondro and gradually goes through all the other practices..
What about in dzogchen community?If one wants to dedicate some time to do retreat is there a standard schedule one has to follow ?
There are two books on Mandarava that have chudlen practice described, one of them is more about the general practice and the other about the Mandarava tsa lung practices. If I remember right the second one has more on chudlen, but I think it's good to read both. You don't need any additional permission for the chudlen practice.alpha wrote:is there a text on chulen which describes the practice?
do you need additional permissions from CNNR to practice chulen apart from the mantra transmission?
Yes this chudlen is in the context of Mandarava practice, you don't do it independently of it. Perhaps there are some other chudlen that don't require deity practice, maybe in Dra Thalgyur or Tshig Don Mdzod, but I don't know.alpha wrote:Is the chulen practice connected or done in the context of Mandarava practice?
Or is it possible to do chulen independently of any practice whenever is required or when one needs to?
You're welcome, thanks and likewise haha.May you achieve the rainbow body in this lifetime.