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Mindfulness

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Is there not an entity/subject/set of conditions that is/are conscious/aware of what is going on in the mind i.e. something like a judge that does the discernment/destroying of unwholesomeness/purification?

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Postby MayaRefugee » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:40 pm

thereductor,

Thanks for your informative reply, I apologise if I am irritating you which it seems I am doing - :?

I have it in my head that it's possible to refine your motivations and mental formations to the point where they reflect rightness. I'm having trouble understanding how there cannot be something that possesses/sustains this rightness for repeated application.

I imagine The Buddha to have refined and maintained an arsenal of rightness enabling him to consistantly profess the specifics of the Dhamma and also teach/give answers/suggestions repeatedly to peoples troubles - I am interested in how he did this - IMO certain cues elicited certain responses and these responses to my way of thinking must of come from an arsenal of rightness.

I wonder what this arsenal of rightness would be?

If I am trying to see something as my "self" it would be this arsenal of rightness.

I guess here I'm moving more toward the nature of insight/wisdom that has been derived from mindfulness and trying to fathom where it is stored/what posseses this insight/wisdom or what allows it to be professed.

peterb,

I don't really want to "know" or practice anything just for my own benefit, I would one-day like to be able to use this "knowing" to help others untangle themselves from distress so formulating a way to communicate what I "know" is pretty important to me at this stage.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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what do you mean by rightness?
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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good luck with that...
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Mindfulness

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Are you being sarcastic there? - :roll:

Do you know something I don't/should know?

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Re: Mindfulness

Postby MayaRefugee » Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:33 am

Thanks reductor, I just got the impression I might have been out of line or not up to par, I'm only scraping the surface of Buddhism and this lead me to think maybe my questions are too basic - :shrug:

I appreciate hard words if they're well intended and not used to "take the piss" so to speak, if you're guiding me in a positive direction (which you seem to be) please keep up the hard words.

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Re: Mindfulness

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'This is the only way, monks, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the destruction of suffering and grief, for reaching the right path, for the attainment of Nibbana, namely, the four foundations of mindfulness. What are the four...?

...Verily, monks, whosoever practices these four foundations of mindfulness in this manner for seven years, then one of these two fruits may be expected by him: highest knowledge (arahantship) here and now, or if some remainder of clinging is yet present, the state of non-returning.


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nysa.html

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Re: Mindfulness

Postby Myotai » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:45 am

Interesting thread. However, what I see is a Theravada perspective struggling in terms of describing what it is that experiences or maybe mnore to the point what is it that is aware.

I think the Prasangikas' have this sorted (sorry Tilt)!

Two levels of reality. Conventional and Ultimate.

Ultimately there is no self. Utterly unfinable wither within aggregates or externally from them.

However, it appears conventionally as an appearance to mind in dependence upon those very aggregates. Just like a rainbow appears in dependence upon causes and conditions. But we also know its not really there...but there it is....ad infinitum!

Also just a small point, someone mentioned that "Mind can know itself". I think that logic falls down. Mind knowing itself is like saying a knife can cut itself. Mind is not a singularity, its another appearance in dependence upon a stream of thoughts, a narrative of sorts.

Knowing is a thought, awareness is an implication of a meeting between subject and object. Awareness is not a thing either.

Just my thoughts.


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