Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:22 am

Zavk, I also value your 'rambles' but I'll interrupt with something closer to the OP:

Jill Bolte-Taylor was a neuro-anatomist who had a stroke and experienced some pretty strange things in the course of it. She eventually recovered from it well enough to describe some of them in this amazing talk -

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby zavk » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:31 am

I'm glad you find it interesting too, Kim. I've been meaning to post again but I want to be mindful of the materials that I put in a public domain, given how I will be using these materials in my own work. BTW, www.ted.com is a fantastic site! Highly recommended! :twothumbsup:
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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

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... :popcorn:

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby zavk » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:38 am

Hi Kim

The reason I associate 'surplus' with 'profit' and 'loss' is because of a particular philosophical view I take on the nature of language/meaning/sense-making/conceptuality. As I see it, the very notion of 'surplus' already presupposes the notion of 'deficit'. 'Surplus' has no meaning without its opposite 'deficit'. Given the view I have on language/conceptuality, I'm also inclined to think that our contemporary understanding of 'surplus' cannot be easily disassociated from wider understandings of profit and loss in contemporary societies. But that's just one particular point of view; it is certainly contestable.

In any case, yes, it appears that our views diverge at a certain point. I do not agree that Maslow's explanation--i.e. that spiritual development is best pursued after attaining a certain level of material security--can be used to unambiguously account for all situations. For me, his model of human development is a product of our modern historical circumstances. And to that extent, I do agree that it does offer a compelling and cogent argument. But at the same time, for reasons I've stated above, I prefer not to universalise his argument.

I should be clear, though, that I'm not saying that basic material security was irrelevant to pre-modern people (they obviously needed food and shelter to survive!); I'm just saying that the linking of material security with spiritual development cannot be easily applied to pre-modern contexts.

Thanks for your feedback.
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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:26 am

Just quickly -- did Maslow say ' that spiritual development is best pursued after attaining a certain level of material security,' as you say, or, ' that spiritual development cannot be pursued before attaining a certain level of material security', as I have always understood?
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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby Ben » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:33 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:10 pm

Hi, Zavk,
Does Stephen Russell peddle his hokum as 'Buddhism' or as his own invention?
If the latter, abusing him for misrepresenting Buddhism is a bit unfair, even if calling his stuff 'junky pop psychology' is, IMO, fair.
At this point in the conversation I have lost a sense of where you're going ... my turn to admit tiredness :zzz:
I'll come back refreshed.

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Re: Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain

Postby PeterB » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:38 pm

To be fair Russell does not peddle his Feng Shui twaddle as Buddhism. He does peddle it however as Daoism. Complete with his own range of joss sticks and other Feng Shui goods. And of course as Daoism outside of its Chinese origins seems to mean exactly what any given " pracitioner " of it decides it is, it would be hard to disprove that he is teaching Daoism. Its all mist and octagonal mirrors...


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