In Vajrayana refuge visualizations the back petal of the refuge tree has volumes of the Buddha's speech pilled high like a mountain emitting sounds (actually proclaiming the Dharma) and that visualization also has Dharma birds chirping Dharma and when wind blows the sounds of Dharma are spontaneously emitted.
These sounds are emitted as the visualization takes place in a Pure Land and these are attributes of these kinds of experiences in the Pure Lands.
Kirt
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“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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I thought in visualization, all sound was mantra.
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All my Kagyu teachers have said the same thing. It's also important to note that ANY practice can be guru yoga. The deities you're visualizing are no different than your guru.Pema Rigdzin wrote:Definitely. I can't speak for other traditions, but I know many Nyingma lamas of the past and present have said that guru yoga is the quickest and most profound path. I wouldn't be surprised if the masters of the other Tibetan traditions say the same.malalu wrote:Hi, TMingyur.TMingyur wrote:
Hmh ... guru yoga ... I forgot that ...
Well in that case perhaps I do practice vajrayana ... at least a little bit ...
Kind regards
Though it is one of many methods, I would have to say that Guru Yoga is at the very heart of Vajrayana practice.
M
Re: No Sound in Visualisations ?
It depends on the sadhana's and the lineages.Yeshe wrote:BFS wrote:Visualization meditation has nothing to do with vision, as in eye consciousness. It is the mental consciousness that is used. Because we use mental consciousness, and not eye consciousness, depending on the practice, one is not limited to just imagined images, there is sound, there is even smell and feeling involved.
Understood. But these visualisations are heavily weighted in favour of the visual, which I find very limited.
It's all imputed anyway, but I have seen no texts or sadhanas which describe the other senses as extensively.
I have notice for example that Nyingma sadhana's quite frequently integrate sound into the overall atmosphere of the mandala. Especially with wrathful yidams and their retinues.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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yes. this is the pure representation of the 3 vajras.Jangchup Donden wrote:I thought in visualization, all sound was mantra.
Vajra body
Vajra speech
Vajra mind
as they are all related to the visualizations.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Post sadhana all sound is mantra, etc.Jangchup Donden wrote:I thought in visualization, all sound was mantra.
The instructions with Dharma sounds, during Vajrayana refuge etc. may be a Sakya thing, I'll check with my lama. It is very clearly mentioned in Sakya instructions.
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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Re: No Sound in Visualisations ?
I've been taught that in the Karma Kagyu ngondro when you're visualizing the refuge tree the texts of the sutras and tantras behind Vajradhara are all emanating the sounds of their texts as well.kirtu wrote:Post sadhana all sound is mantra, etc.Jangchup Donden wrote:I thought in visualization, all sound was mantra.
The instructions with Dharma sounds, during Vajrayana refuge etc. may be a Sakya thing, I'll check with my lama. It is very clearly mentioned in Sakya instructions.
Kirt
In my teacher's ngondro it says it right there in the text.
--Travis