Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby Indrajala » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:30 pm

This is entirely shameless self-promotion, but I penned a brief essay on Saichō's unique monastic reforms. If you're interested please have a look:

https://sites.google.com/site/dharmadep ... os-reforms


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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:45 pm





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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby Indrajala » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:06 pm

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:58 pm





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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby DGA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:34 am

It was strictly a political move on Saicho's part. He needed a reason to justify support for yet another Buddhist venture by the court. The ordination platform was his ruse. Some have suggested (Paul Groner if I remember right) that Saicho intended for the vinaya to be reintroduced at a later date.

Chalk it up to an attempt at upaya.

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby Indrajala » Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:39 am

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby DGA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:42 pm

I don't know of any source indicating that Saicho intended to reintroduce the Vinaya (and I have good reason to be skeptical about this myself... not sure why I brought it up actually). And you're correct that Saicho was following a Chinese precedent. But why did he make this move? Think in TienTai terms: he was working expediently (upaya).

Where does the vinaya fall in the TienTai classification of the teachings? One could argue that the Brahma Net Sutra precepts are embedded in or are more amenable to an Ekayana view than the vinaya.

Namdrol's correct on the contemporary consequences of this move, several centuries after. If you compare today's practice of shaving your head and calling yourself a Punk Roshi or whatever on the basis of inherent enlightenment post-Tendai rhetoric and doctrine (ultimately in all the single-practice schools, not just Soto Zen) to the twelve-year pedagogy Saicho demanded of his disciples... you might struggle to blame Saicho for those contemporary excesses. This would be like blaming Guru Padmasambhava for Aro gTer, which is clearly beyond the intention of the ngakpa tradition.

Finally, I'm really not sure why so many English-speaking Buddhists are hung up on the word "monk" as a descriptor for people who hold some kind of vows are not bhikshus or bhikshunis. Insecurity? Attachment? Habit?

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

Postby Malcolm » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:24 pm





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Re: Saichō's Monastic Reforms

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