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Karma

Postby PaulD » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:00 am

I got this from a website.

"On one level, karma serves to explain why good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. The injustices of the world, the seeming random distribution of good and evil, are only apparent. In reality, everybody is getting what he or she deserves. Even the child brutalized by drugged adults deserves the horror. The mentally ill, the retarded, the homosexuals, and the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis deserved it for evil they must have done in the past. The slave beaten to within a breath of death deserved it, if not for what he did today, then for what he did in some previous lifetime. Likewise for the rape victim. She is just getting what she deserves. All suffering is deserved, according to the law of karma."

If this is all true then where does this leave social justice since they all deserved it? Will the soldiers who killed nazis in world war 2 to liberate the jews from death camps have to pay off their karmic debt by being killed themselves in this lifetime or the next?

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Re: Karma

Postby appicchato » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:18 am

There are better words to describe the law of Kamma than 'deserve'...much better...and there are many, many, levels to describe this phenomena...this one in no way offers a good description...and referring to the soldiers, who knows?...they don't, and we don't either...but there's no getting around the law that says every action will bear fruit somewhere down the pike...

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Re: Karma

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:22 am

Greetings Paul,

What was presented in the quotation was a completely abominable misrepresentation of the Buddha teachings as found in the Tipitaka.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Karma

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:16 pm

Hi PaulD

I'm shocked with the manipulation that website is doing with the teachings of the Buddha. Where did you read this?

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Karma

Postby bodom » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:38 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Karma

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:18 pm

Not without bias then.

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Re: Karma

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:32 pm

It's worth noting that the author of the article doesn't present this view of karma as being held by Buddhists let alone by Hindus. I would recommend the OP find better sources for their information about kamma available on this forum and places like www.accesstoinsight.com. Sabbe sattaa bhavantu sukhitattaa!
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
-Dhp. 183

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Re: Karma

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Re: Karma

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Re: Karma

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:06 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Karma

Postby appicchato » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:43 am

Apologies Mukunda...I misread, or misinterpreted what was said...and I agree with you...

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Re: Karma

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:47 am

To me the whole point of the teaching on kamma is not so we can speculate about why this person or that person experienced good or bad in their lives, but so that we can be aware that what we are doing now will have future results.

It doesn't matter whether it's the skewed version from the skeptics website, or something that sounds nicer, you can't do anything about the past but you can do something about the present and this will affect your future.

Some time ago I saw a scripture quoted that basically said such speculation is a waste of time, I wish I had made not of the reference, maybe somebody knows an can post it.

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Re: Karma

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Re: Karma

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:49 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Karma

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:11 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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