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Postby appicchato » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:36 am


This being a Theravada Buddhism forum, discussing Yoga and Tibetan Buddhism may not get you the answers you're looking for...most here will probably go with something closer to the definition below...I don't see 'unification' mentioned anywhere here...and, personally speaking, things pertaining to 'astral', at this point in time, are over my head...

Wishing you well... :smile:


http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/s_t/samaadhi.htm

samādhi

'concentration'; lit. 'the (mental) state of being firmly fixed' (sam+ā+Ö hā),

is the fixing of the mind on a single object.

"One-pointedness of mind (cittass' ekaggatā), Brother Visakha, this is called concentration" (M. 44).

Concentration - though often very weak - is one of the 7 mental concomitants inseparably associated with all consciousness. Cf. nāma, cetanā.

Right concentration (sammā-samādhi), as the last link of the 8-fold Path (s. magga), is defined as the 4 meditative absorptions (jhāna). In a wider sense, comprising also much weaker states of concentration, it is associated with all karmically wholesome (kusala) consciousness. Wrong concentration (micchā-samādhi) is concentration associated with all karmically unwholesome (akusala) consciousness. Wherever in the texts this term is not differentiated by 'right' or 'wrong', there 'right' concentration is meant .

In concentration one distinguishes 3 grades of intensity:

(1) 'Preparatory concentration' (parikamma-samādhi) existing at the beginning of the mental exercise.

(2) 'Neighbourhood concentration' (upacāra-samādhi), i.e. concentration 'approaching' but not yet attaining the 1st absorption (jhāna), which in certain mental exercises is marked by the appearance of the so-called 'counter-image' (patibhāga-nimitta).

(3) 'Attainment concentration' (appanā-samādhi), i.e. that concentration which is present during the absorptions. (App.)

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Postby Freawaru » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:42 pm

Dear Bhante,

Leigh Brasington describes at http://www.leighb.com/jhanantp.htm different definitions and kinds of experiences of absorption in the case of jhana. For myself I can only say that I experience the kind of jhana that means the absence of all sense perception that is not necessary for perception of the object. I do not experience being infinite space and my physical body with it's senses of hearing, seeing, smelling etc at the same time (except for multi-tasking, I mean). I do not hear the cars outside when I go into these kind of absorption. I understand that the other kind of definitions are accepted and taught in Theravada but according to that site the one where the senses are really absent - which I call samadhi - is known and accepted in Theravada, too, so I think I don't just talk about yoga or Tibetan Buddhism.

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Postby meindzai » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:26 pm

Based on my undestanding of citta, the mind in general doesn't ever do more than one thing at a time, though it can and does create the illusion of doing so by rapidly switching amongst various objects, much the same way computers multitask. i.e. we don't even hear and see at the same time, but the rapid alteration of mind-moments make it seem this way.

So if there is such a thing with samadhi or jhana, it would have to occur in the same way. Though I don't think it sounds very useful.

Though back on usenet once somebody gave a cool concentration exercise once, involving mentally counting forward from 1 to 10 while also counting backwards from 10 to 1. Pretty much makes smoke come out of my ears!

-M

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