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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

Postby Ben » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:53 pm

Prajna bars!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

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where's carnivore? (that's me)

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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

Postby Clueless Git » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:29 am

Just for the sake of chipping something in ...

Vegans fall into two categories;

1. Dietary Vegans: No animal products consumed, as food, but not so fussy about using 'waste' products like leather and wool.

2. Whole lifestyle vegans: Already properly descibed in Davids original list.

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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

Postby Clueless Git » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:36 am

Oh yes ...

The most accurate term for as creature that feeds on dead bodies is 'carrion eater' not 'carnivore', btw.

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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

Postby baratgab » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:29 pm

"Just as in the great ocean there is but one taste — the taste of salt — so in this Doctrine and Discipline there is but one taste — the taste of freedom"

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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

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Another one for the list:



Cannibalism: a lifestyle choice that won't win you many friends.
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Re: Diet classifications from omnivore to fruitarian

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Vegetarian Food

Postby martinfrank » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:49 pm

I apologize for being obstinate and thank all contributors for their replies.

I know what Lord Buddha taught about allowed food and I don't question it or disagree with it.

But...

Lord Buddha lived in a time and different culture, where vegetarianism was connected with Brahmins and Jains, and many of Lord Buddha's supporters were Kshatrias and non-vegetarians.

At Lord Buddha's time, the allowed food for the monks was (at least in theory) part of the food cooked in the houses for the (vegetarian or non-vegetarian) householders regular lunch.

What disturbs me is not that monks eat what they are given when they stand for food in a village. I find disturbing when with full knowledge of the monks large quantities of meat, chicken, fish and crabs get bought and specially prepared for the monks. Even more disturbing when the meat is bought by the lay helpers of the monastery and prepared in the monastery kitchen. And still more when the quality of the meat gets discussed by monks and lay helpers at the table etc... (I have been a novice.)

I belief we all know what I am talking about. It is not about the finer points of "allowed food" and "not allowed food"; it is about how things are today. We all know that if a monastery lets it be known that they prefer vegetarian food, the inflow of meat, chicken, fish, crabs etc. stops, and with it the slaughtering of animals for choice dishes to be brought to the monastery on Buddha Days.

While it is not allowed for the monks to say, "please cook crabs for me", I believe it is perfectly right and allowed for monks to preach not-killing.

My two points are still the same:

- Bad nutrition (lots of meats and sweets, no vegetables, at least some fruits).

- It would be wonderful if more monks would OUT OF PITY (with the animals and with the laypeople who could go to hell) teach the laypeople not to kill animals.

I know that to be a monk is a tough. To be a good monk is very tough; I never tried that. Laymen should generally not criticize monks or nuns quickly, but if the lay community is not puttting constant gentle pressure on the Sangha to reform... laypeople's children will get run over by monks in orange Lexus' talking with their bookies on the phone while driving... (just joking, of course).

Let all rules be followed so well as the "allowed meat" rule!

I apologize once more for bringing up this subject.

Let all beings (including crabs) become happy!

PS: Where is the "allowed money" rule? (just joking, of course)
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