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Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Brian » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:25 am

Does anyone have any information/insight into this person and group? I've found only a few notes online about the controversial nature of him, with little details. They seem to have a lot of money, seeing as they purchased two old churches here in San Francisco and transformed them quite beautifully.

I have read to be weary of anyone claiming to be a "living Buddha".

Here is a link to some info on him: http://www.highestbuddhistmasters.org/e ... glish.html and http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION/DCBIII.html


Thank you in advance.

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:05 am

I don't know anything, there doesn't seem to be much out there. But the obvious approach is to be as skeptical as possible-- proclaiming to be an incarnation of Vajradhara, but then no one has heard of him-- except supposedly for all the high teachers quoted in his own book-- we'll see. Then, I do have to appreciate the style, the photo with the obviously fake wig? My instinct is that this guy is a performance artist on a far-out trip. But who knows, maybe he really is Vajradhara-- and Vajradhara is emanating as a performance artist on a far-out trip! The main thing is, I wouldn't start prostrating to this dude just yet. Examine for 12 years, see what happens in the interim. In the meantime, there are plenty of great teachers, especially in the SF area - that are clearly of authentic lineage and are not controversial. Like Anam Thubten RInpoche, Lama Tharchin RInpoche, among others. .
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Grigoris » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:45 am

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Indrajala » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:06 am

Looks awfully dodgy to me.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Dexing » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:31 am

Saw him on one of those Buddhist Cult listings years ago.

Here's another website with such listings:

Also .

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Astus » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:48 am

"living buddha" is the Chinese equivalent of Tibetan tulku. It should be based on the teachings that a group is rejected or accepted and not subjective lists of "Buddhist Cults".
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby narraboth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:39 pm

in brief, avoid

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby conebeckham » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:17 pm

I'd agree with Astus, but read this:
http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION ... palas.html

and tell me if you think it's authentic Dharma.

Personally, I feel including this group on "cult lists" is the right thing to do.


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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Kunga » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:32 pm

100% fake. A tulku friend told me he bribed a student from Sakya College Dehradun to forge a 'recognition' letter on headed notepaper from HHST's office; when this was exposed he offered the Karmapa Urgyen Thrinlay Dorje money to recognise him; when this was rejected he rejected him as the authentic Karmapa!

You have only to look at the nonsense put about by this organisation to see that it is, at best, a parody of Dharma.

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Brian » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:23 pm

All of this brings us to another, yet connected subject. I have heard about so-called "monks" who are actually Chinese communist agents in disguise. I do not know much about this issue or its purpose. What i DO know is that the Dorje Chang Buddha III has a lot of money, has purchased very old expensive churches here in San Francisco, has had governmental agencies recognize his 'efforts' and attend grand openings. This seems all very strange to me - could he be part of this Chinese "conspiracy" ? Anyone have any insight into this? I recall once seeing a picture of Chinese troops being handed Buddhists gowns.

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:32 am

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Grigoris » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:07 am

Ooooh boy this thread is sliding dangerously into the realm of conspiracy and paranoia!
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:20 am

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Grigoris » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:29 am

Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you are talking to a dribbling moron.

All conspiracy theories and paranoia have a basis in a smidgen of reality, they become paranoid when the claims are not backed by hard evidence. What is the evidence that DCIII (theoretically a fraud, again no hard evidence) is being backed by the Chinese government? The fact that he has money and is Chinese? Well, really, that's just not enough evidence now is it?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:48 am

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Grigoris » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:52 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:10 pm

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Pero » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:26 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Thug4lyfe » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:51 pm

fakeeeee, anyone who tries to convince people to follow them because of supernatrual powers are demons!
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