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An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby mindyourmind » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:35 am

I'm sure that this has been raised (or at least considered) by Those In Power, but is there any good reason why we cannot have a separate Mahamudra forum, along the lines of the Dzogchen one?

There are several Kagyupas here, and it seems as if a lot (most?) of them are practicing Mahamudra.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:04 am

So why not use the Kagyu forum for something other than arguing who is the best Kamarpa??? :stirthepot:
But seriously, we can just use the Kagyu forum.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby daelm » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:31 am

mindyourmind wrote:I'm sure that this has been raised (or at least considered) by Those In Power, but is there any good reason why we cannot have a separate Mahamudra forum, along the lines of the Dzogchen one?

There are several Kagyupas here, and it seems as if a lot (most?) of them are practicing Mahamudra.



andre, have you dropped this in the suggestion box? not sure it will be readily seen here.

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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby mindyourmind » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:34 am

daelm wrote:
mindyourmind wrote:I'm sure that this has been raised (or at least considered) by Those In Power, but is there any good reason why we cannot have a separate Mahamudra forum, along the lines of the Dzogchen one?

There are several Kagyupas here, and it seems as if a lot (most?) of them are practicing Mahamudra.



andre, have you dropped this in the suggestion box? not sure it will be readily seen here.

suggestions: viewforum.php?f=13


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I have a plan ..... :spy:

I also just want to see first if the idea has any support from the Kagyu side. If so, then that strengthens the request, if not then I do not need to bother Their Emminences.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Astus » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:58 am

As Greg said, the Kagyu section could be used for discussion on Mahamudra. It is unfortunate that there is rarely any discussion here on it, especially as I'm quite fond of this wonderful teaching. But if there are special reasons why a separate Mahamudra forum would be worth a try I have no objections against it.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby mindyourmind » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:03 pm

Astus wrote:As Greg said, the Kagyu section could be used for discussion on Mahamudra. It is unfortunate that there is rarely any discussion here on it, especially as I'm quite fond of this wonderful teaching. But if there are special reasons why a separate Mahamudra forum would be worth a try I have no objections against it.


Maybe a specialized thread would encourage more discussion on that?

If Dzogchen was seen as a part of say Nyingma, we would no doubt see a lot less discussions on it.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Astus » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:08 pm

There it is. Use it well.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby mindyourmind » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:24 pm

Astus wrote:There it is. Use it well.


Well, as far as I am concerned, thank you very much, Astus.

I hope that we will use the forum to learn more and to exchange knowledge on this path.


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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Chaz » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:53 pm

mindyourmind wrote:
daelm wrote:
mindyourmind wrote:I'm sure that this has been raised (or at least considered) by Those In Power, but is there any good reason why we cannot have a separate Mahamudra forum, along the lines of the Dzogchen one?

There are several Kagyupas here, and it seems as if a lot (most?) of them are practicing Mahamudra.



andre, have you dropped this in the suggestion box? not sure it will be readily seen here.

suggestions: viewforum.php?f=13


d


I have a plan ..... :spy:

I also just want to see first if the idea has any support from the Kagyu side. If so, then that strengthens the request, if not then I do not need to bother Their Emminences.



I'm a Kagyupa, but I don't practice Mahamudra ...... yet. I have only just started my Ngondro practice and I most likely won't be allowed to begin mahamudra until I complete that practice to my Guru's satisfaction.

To be honest, Mahamudra is about as far from my mind as such things get.

I'm not opposed to a Mahamudra forum - there's simply not much I can do in the way of contribution/participation.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:55 pm

Some of us were given Mahamudra pointing out instructions before we even took refuge let alone started ngondro!
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Astus » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:03 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:Some of us were given Mahamudra pointing out instructions before we even took refuge let alone started ngondro!
:namaste:


So much for karma.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
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“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Chaz » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:31 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:Some of us were given Mahamudra pointing out instructions before we even took refuge let alone started ngondro!



Well regardless of that Greg, it won't be happening for this kid until Ngondro's in the mit as they say, and the Guru decides it's okay to take up Mahamudra. That day is years off - at my current rate of accumulation it'll probably be 5 years, at least, before I finish Ngondro.

I'm okay with that.

I'm also okay with the idea of a Mahamudra forum here. There's a Dzogchen forum, so why no Mahamudra board? I also hope that it will be a real benefit to those who will use it and to all sentient beings.
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Pero » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:14 pm

Astus wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Some of us were given Mahamudra pointing out instructions before we even took refuge let alone started ngondro!
:namaste:


So much for karma.

What do you mean?
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Re: An independent Mahamudra forum?

Postby Astus » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:17 pm

Pero wrote:
Astus wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Some of us were given Mahamudra pointing out instructions before we even took refuge let alone started ngondro!
:namaste:


So much for karma.

What do you mean?


That it depends on karma what one meets, hears, studies and understands.
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True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
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This face, the face at birth."

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