JUst one example.
A sports site I know of had exactly what Nemo is talking about in the legit adds.
The addon was selling believe it or not...a PC protection device. I actually knew of one person crashing a site and then when the site became funtional again trying to sell site protection hardware on that very site. Was the protection hardware worth anything...probably not. So it would be complete profit for the scammer.
Seems strange and bizzare but many people are quite delusional. You ask them about such things and the response is invariably if they have families.....my child has to eat. So it then becomes morally justifiable on such basis. Remiinds me of a financial service add several years ago. It had a picture of a very young child with the words to the effect of....you are responsible for her protection. Of course in America young children are rarely in circumstance of starving and to buy this financial product you had to be quite well off as well.
It is rarely called as it is.....to make myself rich. Being rich in such deluded peoples minds being the end all be all. And when they die....in thier minds they take it all with them. And in the bardo I suspect such pretense as moral good from bad action quickly dissolves. The arbitrator of truth buys no such product I think. Every posession suchly gathered turns into piranna that finds them in that pool they are swimming. They never recognize the pool, the swimming, or the piranna, for what they are. So they suffer greatly. That's my guess.
Geeze Louise.....I'm now seeing spyware trojans and whatnot everywhere now due to my paranoia on reading this thread....Geeze Louise!! Quick virus check, quick scam check, quick delete history, quick, quiick quick......
Ah.....who cares....steal away me hardies......you will find what it will get you.
I'd guess some are actually trying to hack into individual computers, but the chance that the person you are getting into has some actual useful thing you can use to transfer monies and such.....I'd say the chances are very very low. It's not that everyone doesn't have that info. on their computers and such but to corrospond with the information gained there has to be corrosponding information that allows access to the institution you are useing that information on. How many financial institutions nowadays do not have a visual or some other prompt that the user must know to transfer monies, and virtually any phone transaction to confirm the transaction requires specific information which is generally not available to the hacker. Of course if you leave such information up and accessible on your computer you are generally a idiot(note to self check information on computer).
To mention how bad it can be....I had one faith based internet site that I used to corrospond on, several months ago . I received internal Email on the site that identified to me the corrospondant was performing the Nigerian scam(a simple scam exchanging offer of monies for information or other monies) Winkipedia has a article on how it works when perfomed over the phone or by mail. I notified about every moderator I could(about five or six) and the adminstration of that site(you had to be a member to corrospond by internal email). I checked the originator of the scams profile and found that person already had made successful targets. And the site.....they removed my internal email that attested to that and to my knowledge, never deleted the account of the person performing the scam nor did they delete my account when I then requested they do that. As far as I know the scam is still being performed on that site. In retrospect I should have just notified our state attorney general and left it at that. When the emails were deleted I had no "evidence"' to work with. Most just disregard such scams as they are completely obvious as scams but some are vulnerable. And this on not a sport or political site but a religious site. Geeze Louise.....that really sucks. When I visited the political board of that particular site I also invariably would receive soft porn internal emails after the visit but that is aside. It is a for profit faith site, that will not remove any members for any reason under the sun as bottom line is....members spell add revenue, generally. So it is virtually infested with various scammers of all sort and description.
As a aside I do a couple of little things that to my uneducated opinion help. These are all just hurdles which make such things slightly more difficult. They deal in volume and will not target a more difficult pc, it is just to time consumptive. Why bother to write script for a more difficult target when there are thousands available anyway, that's my thinking. These might not help at all but I think they do. I maintain two differing internet prompts and vary useage on both. If I do a financial transaction I invariably will not do it after visiting a general site such as this. I log out and log back in on the other account. I also delete any history(to include add ons cookies and such) after visiting any suspect sites that I actively inteact with. Sites I know are infected...I try to completely stay away from. Updater prompts other than from known recognized sites....absolutely do not use them, and don't trust addresses associated to them that seem OK. Old computers, pretty much, no matter what you do to delete stuff it will still be accessible in some form unless you are a dos master. So to delete the hard drive permenantly, a hard screwdriver and hammer work quite well prior to recycling. The recyclers...they may recycle these things to a third world country where they are not recycled but given away or sent to garbage dumps. People in those places then may access informations and use them.
Have random numbers integrated into your email address. A address that makes no logical sense such as being not a recognizable name helps. Never open suspect or any unrecognizable emails, especially with attachments. Screen your email to junk. Never put your email address online. Never answer emails requests online except on recognized sites. The Nigerian scam I mention above was requesting a email response, after this person says they have given me money, as they like what I say on the internet board, and a loved one had died. I respond and my computer and all its info is theirs. And if I am really stupid I go with their scam and give them account numbers and such to deposit monies into. Never respond anywhere at any time to free offers or to winning a prize. Check adddresses and content of even recognized sites....hackers pay little attention to detail and often on visiting the site there may be internal obvious errors. Addresses are no longer a gimmie on finding a illigetimate site as they use very similiar addresses nowadays. Put verifiable addresses you use on a favorites menu. Do not access sites not on a favorites menu except with the intial order. When on financial sites spend as little time there as possible. Do not ever put any passwords or even names on remember in your computer.
This along with doing virus scam and other checks pretty often now.
Since I am now paranoid.....I will do all those things. Sometimes I forget but virtually any financial institution has safeguards of some sort.
Wireless....keep in mind your neighbor if you live in a apartment may very well have access to your wireless. There are various devices to stop that encryption and such, but I do not know if they are 100%. Some services allow for checking of this I think. If I don't have to use wireless I do not. I could shut it off I guess, but I just put a metal cover over the transmitter if I'm direct. If useing wireless when not at home....be careful about transmitting sensitive information. If you have high speed(which most all now do) unplug it when not in use.
If you can access sites like this to just read of some such, without logging in.....do so, every log in or interaction is a potential entry point. No log in or message written....generally little chance of spy ware and such. Assume every time you do interact you are infected. If you are logged in, and access a safe site but a link within that safe site is infected that may be pretty equal to accessing a email that is infected by email. If you access that same link but are not logged it, it may not have a equal effect.
And if your computer is used for spiritual purposes....do protection mantra or ceremony.
As a aside....if I or others had the time and motivation I don't doubt for a minute the sites/peoples doing such things could themselves be traced using the same methods available to the hackers and then when identified those sites themselves could be hacked and have incorporated viruses introduced to destroy them. But no one seemingly has such motivation. It would I think be relatively easy. Their protections and computer hardware you see is exactly as ours is. Peoples governments and corporations generally work only on the defensive side of it not the offensive as potentially that could be construed as illegal. And/or they would be protecting other for no benefit personally to them. Such as is the mindset clean protect your own yard but not your neighbors. Offensively it seemingly could be easy and most effective. Someday that may occur to people, but maybe not. Give a hacker a clean computer with nothing on it virtually empty, six months, and easily could be found a way and means to destroy them every one of them whereever they arise to include spam. If it gets very very bad to actually influence adds and profitability....then we could see that happen. Till then..... never happen.
This is why google has suddenly found religion....the interference is affecting adds and ability to sell adds. To many sites hacked by governments and others....add revenues go down, less people use them.
A site like esanga goes down, esanga has no add revenue but if enough sites go down, google is affected as well revenue wise. Google could give a flying capital f about human rights activists and their identification. Concurrent with the activists action by China is the other work affecting sites that produce revenue for google. Which is why the corpocracy that is the US government is now getting involved. It affected a corporations bottom line.
The internet within ten years will become solely a financial tool due to recent changes in corporate influence over governmental in the US. The US FCC will allow some changes which will affect a pay as you go status to all internet things. Sites without significant cash flow will simply not have the means to survive. So the freedom you now see in information and things is quickly to change entirely. So this will all be a mote point shortly. So not to worry, the internet as we know it is quickly to end. The inteligencia without money to go along with it....they will find only american idol type stuff and corporate propoganda on it. So it will become virtually useless as is American national media to those such Americans. So we will not have this problem in the US and probably the rest of the world. Like a frog being boiled in the pot...these changes will happen so gradually you will not even notice them. Ten years....barring major US societal change or natural disaster or panademic.
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