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Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Brian » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:25 am

Does anyone have any information/insight into this person and group? I've found only a few notes online about the controversial nature of him, with little details. They seem to have a lot of money, seeing as they purchased two old churches here in San Francisco and transformed them quite beautifully.

I have read to be weary of anyone claiming to be a "living Buddha".

Here is a link to some info on him: http://www.highestbuddhistmasters.org/e ... glish.html and http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION/DCBIII.html


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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:05 am

I don't know anything, there doesn't seem to be much out there. But the obvious approach is to be as skeptical as possible-- proclaiming to be an incarnation of Vajradhara, but then no one has heard of him-- except supposedly for all the high teachers quoted in his own book-- we'll see. Then, I do have to appreciate the style, the photo with the obviously fake wig? My instinct is that this guy is a performance artist on a far-out trip. But who knows, maybe he really is Vajradhara-- and Vajradhara is emanating as a performance artist on a far-out trip! The main thing is, I wouldn't start prostrating to this dude just yet. Examine for 12 years, see what happens in the interim. In the meantime, there are plenty of great teachers, especially in the SF area - that are clearly of authentic lineage and are not controversial. Like Anam Thubten RInpoche, Lama Tharchin RInpoche, among others. .
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:45 am

Brian wrote:Does anyone have any information/insight into this person and group? I've found only a few notes online about the controversial nature of him, with little details. They seem to have a lot of money, seeing as they purchased two old churches here in San Francisco and transformed them quite beautifully.

I have read to be weary of anyone claiming to be a "living Buddha".

Here is a link to some info on him: http://www.highestbuddhistmasters.org/e ... glish.html and http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION/DCBIII.html


Thank you in advance.
The pdf/ebook file available in the first link is a trojan of one type or another. My computer refused to download it. Maybe you should refuse to associate with DCB III?
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Indrajala » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:06 am

Looks awfully dodgy to me.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Dexing » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:31 am

Saw him on one of those Buddhist Cult listings years ago.

Here's another website with such listings: Buddhist Cults

Also "How to Spot a Buddhist Cult".

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Astus » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:48 am

"living buddha" is the Chinese equivalent of Tibetan tulku. It should be based on the teachings that a group is rejected or accepted and not subjective lists of "Buddhist Cults".
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
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Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby narraboth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:39 pm

in brief, avoid
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby conebeckham » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:17 pm

I'd agree with Astus, but read this:
http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION ... palas.html

and tell me if you think it's authentic Dharma.

Personally, I feel including this group on "cult lists" is the right thing to do.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Kunga » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:32 pm

100% fake. A tulku friend told me he bribed a student from Sakya College Dehradun to forge a 'recognition' letter on headed notepaper from HHST's office; when this was exposed he offered the Karmapa Urgyen Thrinlay Dorje money to recognise him; when this was rejected he rejected him as the authentic Karmapa!

You have only to look at the nonsense put about by this organisation to see that it is, at best, a parody of Dharma.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Tilopa » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:09 pm

Here's another self proclaimed living Buddha.

Has anyone here had any contact with him or his organization?

http://www.tbsn.org/
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby xabir » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:32 pm

Tilopa wrote:Here's another self proclaimed living Buddha.

Has anyone here had any contact with him or his organization?

http://www.tbsn.org/

http://www.buddhismaustralia.org/cults.htm

True Buddha Order (Zhen Fo Zhong) - Sheng-yen Lu

What else is Sheng-yen Lu? He is a Christian (has been a Sunday Bible School teacher), a Taoist Master, a Buddhist Master (shaven and left home), and also the Living Buddha Lian-shen (a Tantric guru). Is Sheng-yen Lu a monk?
Yes.
"He is now a monk, after formally taking the vows and shaving his head."
Is Sheng-yen Lu the lineage holder of the True Buddha School? "Yes, because he has founded the True Buddha School to propagate the True Buddha Dharma."
Apart from the above, Sheng-yen Lu is also a psychic! He is someone who is everything. But, who, really, is Sheng-yen Lu?


Now that Living Buddha Lian Shen has attained Realisation through his own vigour and practice, in order to teach more sentient beings, he espouses the True Buddha Dharma, hoping that everybody will eradicate their karma, see their Self Nature, so that he or she can control his or her own life and death, and become a Buddha in no time.

Because Living Buddha Lian Shen has attained Realisation, he knows very well that by practising the True Buddha Dharma everybody can become a Buddha.
Therefore he let it be known to the whole world, the undisclosed doctrines of Buddhism, hoping that everybody will take refuge in True Buddha School, and carry out the practice to attain Buddhahood.

On March 11th, 2000, Master Lu hosted a grand ceremony with a lecture. Thousands of members who took refuge in Master Lu attended this ceremony. There, he gave a controversial lecture on how to use a spell to kill someone. Master Lu believed that if there was no other way that could assist a hopeless or stubborn person, then the only way is kill him or her. He said "The only way to treat a stubborn or a hopeless person is to kill. If you love someone and have mercy and want to send one to heaven, you must first take his life and then expiate the sins of the dead. This is the 2nd greatest charm of the religion". He continued saying;- "if there is no other way that could assist one, then the only way is to kill. Giving mercy or influence or wisdom and still not way out, then the only way is to kill".
This lecture shocked many Buddhists in Taiwan and the world.

Not long after his lecture, Master Lu was accused of committing sexual harassment with a female disciple, known anonymously as "SHC". She claimed that Master Lu made negligent counseling by making the said disciple engage in a "twin body blessing"---sexual intercourse. The disciple was terminally ill at the time of this incident. According to the disciple, Master Lu said that she would die of sickness if she did not participate in this blessing.

However, the disciple had no evidence, beyond her own word, that any "twin body blessing" took place, and Temple officials had no knowledge of any such blessing and no reason to believe that such a blessing ever happened.

Grand Master said, "When I first set forth to propagate the Dharma, I've encountered many slandering. But even if threatened with forceful oppositions, I had remained unwavering in My conviction of the Truth....True Buddha disciples of today, having experienced wonderful miracles from the Grand Master, should also possess the same deep-rooted and immovable conviction towards the Dharma." For further information, see - http://www.shcstory.com/

In Sydney, They operate from Sydney Yen Shang Lei Zang Temple, 645 Princes Highway, Tempe

Lu Sheng-Yen should not be confused with the Respected Buddhist Zen Teacher, Ven. Sheng-Yen.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:34 pm

conebeckham wrote:I'd agree with Astus, but read this:
http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION ... palas.html

and tell me if you think it's authentic Dharma.



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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Mr. G » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:42 pm

Tilopa wrote:Here's another self proclaimed living Buddha.

Has anyone here had any contact with him or his organization?

http://www.tbsn.org/


My aunt and uncle are part of that cult. Sad.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Brian » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:23 pm

All of this brings us to another, yet connected subject. I have heard about so-called "monks" who are actually Chinese communist agents in disguise. I do not know much about this issue or its purpose. What i DO know is that the Dorje Chang Buddha III has a lot of money, has purchased very old expensive churches here in San Francisco, has had governmental agencies recognize his 'efforts' and attend grand openings. This seems all very strange to me - could he be part of this Chinese "conspiracy" ? Anyone have any insight into this? I recall once seeing a picture of Chinese troops being handed Buddhists gowns.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:32 am

Brian wrote:All of this brings us to another, yet connected subject. I have heard about so-called "monks" who are actually Chinese communist agents in disguise. I do not know much about this issue or its purpose. What i DO know is that the Dorje Chang Buddha III has a lot of money, has purchased very old expensive churches here in San Francisco, has had governmental agencies recognize his 'efforts' and attend grand openings. This seems all very strange to me - could he be part of this Chinese "conspiracy" ? Anyone have any insight into this? I recall once seeing a picture of Chinese troops being handed Buddhists gowns.


Considering the Chinese government kidnapped the Panchen Lama (who is still missing) and replaced him with a puppet-panchen lama who is completely under their control, it is obviously a ploy of theirs to create high-tulku positions and use the "poison" of religion for their own deeply misguided purposes. Additionally, it is no secret that they've been more than supportive of a certain sectarian Buddhist cult that is anti-Dalai Lama and is the cause of much controversy among the followers of Tibetan Buddhism. So does it seem plausible that this character could be an invention of some psyops wing of the Chinese govt. ? Certainly.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:07 am

Ooooh boy this thread is sliding dangerously into the realm of conspiracy and paranoia!
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:20 am

gregkavarnos wrote:Ooooh boy this thread is sliding dangerously into the realm of conspiracy and paranoia!
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If you think this is paranoia then you're obviously not very well informed about Chinese/Tibetan politics.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:29 am

Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you are talking to a dribbling moron.

All conspiracy theories and paranoia have a basis in a smidgen of reality, they become paranoid when the claims are not backed by hard evidence. What is the evidence that DCIII (theoretically a fraud, again no hard evidence) is being backed by the Chinese government? The fact that he has money and is Chinese? Well, really, that's just not enough evidence now is it?
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:48 am

gregkavarnos wrote:
All conspiracy theories and paranoia have a basis in a smidgen of reality, they become paranoid when the claims are not backed by hard evidence. What is the evidence that DCIII (theoretically a fraud, again no hard evidence) is being backed by the Chinese government? The fact that he has money and is Chinese? Well, really, that's just not enough evidence now is it?
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Saying something is theoretically *plausible*, and claiming it is *true* are entirely different things. I said it was plausible. Only if I was claiming it were actually so would I ever need hard evidence. I made no such claim. It is plausible, because as in the examples mentioned above there is a precedent for this type of behavior by the Chinese Government.

Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you are talking to a dribbling moron.


I don't think I am talking to a dribbling moron, but it is evident that English is not your first language. This is no fault of your own, I commend you for speaking a second language at all. I am somewhat of a moron myself like many typical Americans in never having adequately learned a second language.
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Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:52 pm

Adamantine wrote:Saying something is theoretically *plausible*, and claiming it is *true* are entirely different things. I said it was plausible. Only if I was claiming it were actually so would I ever need hard evidence. I made no such claim.
This is true to an extent but the nuances are so subtle as to really render them virtually indistinguishable.
It is plausible, because as in the examples mentioned above there is a precedent for this type of behavior by the Chinese Government.
I agree, there are definitely precedents, for me though it is enough that the DCIII site tried to infest my computer with a Trojan for me to conclude that, I personally, want nothing to do with them.
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