Jainism is probably the most humane, rational, complete and noble of all religions. Of course, if they threw bombs around, hijacked planes, threatened violence or formed aggressive political parties, the media would be full of articles explaining what Jainism ‘really’ teaches. But of course Jains don’t do such things. They don’t push their faith, they don’t demand special treatment, they don’t try to influence politics, they just quietly do their own thing with a ‘live and let live’ outlook.
If there were 3 billion Jains, or even 300 million, rather than just 3 million of them the world would be that much more peaceful.
ronnewmexico wrote:Very funny Will
Adn..no offense but if I were jain I would take that as being biased against jain.
"Thinking, "I'm right," or "this is right; this is true" is dualistic conceptual practice that is the seed of suffering for oneself and others."...we can find evidence perhaps some pretty closely that buddhists hold things like this as well as any other. I may look around here but it is not necessary as it is obvious.
Their method for realizing enlightenment is basically removing all the karma which prevents us seeing what is our natural soul. By compassion for all things of sentient nature. Seems quite similiar to buddhism but without perhaps one may say the bells and whistles of great compassion.
ronnewmexico wrote:They always are greatly compassionate going as mentioned to great extreems to prevent harm and when enlightened in some form as tirthankar teaching what is needed to know in that time and place.
ronnewmexico wrote:CAn one do this as human...."]the realization of emptiness and bodhicitta are the fundamentals of Buddhism. It is just a fact that there is no happiness other then with this realization"If fully realized certainly. But many buddhist schools assert that full enlightenment or realization of emptiness cannnot be attained as human.
ronnewmexico wrote:One advances as much as one can as human then must go to some other place to really be fully enlightened. The buddha being considered as simple example, not real human. HOw one as human can best advance to that place not that one may actually realize full enlightenment as human...there are differing views on this thing in buddhism it seems.
ronnewmexico wrote:Me personally...I abscribe to no buddhist nor jainist view. I am not looking for anything except perhaps on occasion useful tools..my path is clear to me. I have no uncertainties, no questions not here or elsewhere beyond what I find before me. I am stateing that to qualify this as not a personal discussion, which it is why it is here and not in the personal section.
So this is not about me but about this issue..western buddhist I am contending may be better served by jainism than buddhism...it fits them better.
ronnewmexico wrote:Happiness..jains seem happy and their religion claims happiness when enlightened.
ronnewmexico wrote:Jains I would reasonably say could make this very same statement with one little replacement.."It is your mind. It's nature is primordial peace. Don't forget that. ..coming up with the same thing basically in practice and effect.
ronnewmexico wrote:YOu will find if I for instance started a thread on this.. many buddhist advocating for a completely pacifist approach to this and saying things such as...if I am a higher buddhist that wants only to attain enlightenment and not just a ordinary buddhist I do this...."If there is a killer like bin Laden who is set on killing whole nations, a pacifist will let it happen." be completely pacifist. We could find a thread on that I'd guess around here somewhere one may say that in approximation...
so is not Jain the better vehicle for them? It being variable in buddhism but not variable in jain, use of military guns police things of that sort.
Will wrote:Will wrote:Do they accept converts?
Not a joke - I knew a Zarthusti and they will not accept converts, one has to be born into a Zarthustri family. I think Hindus are not too wild about non-Hindus converting too.
Oh...they then threaten to propogate nihilism...well if teaching is so faulted that one may fall to nihiism or that one may not do this thing except potentially use it long term in another lifetime as we may not realize it..what point? Peoples here then are not suited to it seemingly.
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