Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

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Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby ananda » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:17 am

1. In a few books I have read based on Vaishnavite teachings it is said that in Buddhism a soul is not said to exist is this true ?...But if an eternal soul does not exist then what is it that dies and is reborn again and what is the ultimate fate of all sentient-beings ?

2. Someone I met once commented that how he thinks that Buddhism seems to be a more escapist approach to life and he comments on how we should not cease to desire because ceasing to desire would be denying our humanity and to deny our humanity would be to reject life itself. How would I contend with this view ?

3. Does a Buddha cease to accumulate all karma ? I once read how in Jainism a siddha (liberated one) will not help a suffering being because he has gone beyond all desires
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby Adamantine » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:09 am

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby Malcolm » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:17 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:08 pm

Ultimately nothing is reborn. Conventionally, I am reborn.

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby LastLegend » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:40 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby Grigoris » Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:28 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby Adamantine » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:57 pm

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby Adamantine » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:19 pm

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby mudra » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:59 am

Now I'm confused: so Buddhism is about hugging? or about being a woman?
Dang! all those years of study...

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby ronnewmexico » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:24 am

I am certainly no expert on Jainism but will state a little bit of things that seem to be true about it.

In Jainism there are those who have achieved enlightenment but are teachers. Called these are tirthankar. The last one was thought to have been around roughly when the buddha was around.
Arihants are those who are enlightened but still in human form so they may be accesible to us as human. They teach things.
Those who have attained enlightenment but are not in a human form and realized are not trying not to help people or some such things.... lacking desires to do such things in a human sense but have not the means for contact. Being seperate from us.

Jains do not believe in a godhead or somesuch but are strict vegetarian, believe in complete nonviolence and are believers in a eternal soul.
It is my opinion that most western buddhists are following jainism rather than what they think is buddhism by concept..but that is a personal opinion.
It seems that buddhism and jainism both coexisted at the time of the buddha. There by my take are several points then made clear in buddhism that serve as source of differentiation.....strict vegetarianism and strict nonviolence may be two of those differentiations by my take. No soul and dependant origination no inherant existant things may be some on the buddhist side.
In any event I would suspect jains little abscribe to a view that one once enlightened becomes noncompassionate. It is that when one is enlightened one can have no common basis which allows for communication I suppose. Otherwise how would arihants andtirthankaras both teach...that would not happen, both are enlightened yet teach.

Very similiar are they in other things. Like buddhism there are several forms so some difference may be found amongst schools.
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby meiji1 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:35 am

#2 is very common. I had a philosophy professor who constantly argued that point in reference to Buddhism. He described enlightenment as a kind of psychological nihilism in which everything, good and bad, is drained of meaning. How should you give a response to that? I feel that mine is lousy.

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby LastLegend » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:55 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby meiji1 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:44 pm

He's a stubborn guy, I wouldn't count on him to investigate Buddhism on his own. I want to find a self-contained reply.

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby adinatha » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:55 pm

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Re: Escapism,Buddhism, and the Soul

Postby catmoon » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:30 am

If Buddha had no desires, why did he teach?
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