Very funny Will
Adn..no offense but if I were jain I would take that as being biased against jain.
"Thinking, "I'm right," or "this is right; this is true" is dualistic conceptual practice that is the seed of suffering for oneself and others
."...we can find evidence perhaps some pretty closely that buddhists hold things like this as well as any other. I may look around here but it is not necessary as it is obvious.
Their method for realizing enlightenment is basically removing all the karma which prevents us seeing what is our natural soul. By compassion for all things of sentient nature. Seems quite similiar to buddhism but without perhaps one may say the bells and whistles of great compassion.
There is no soul. What they are perceiving to be a soul is clarity. Fixating on clarity will not result in liberation but in the formless realms. Why would you advocate that?
They always are greatly compassionate going as mentioned to great extreems to prevent harm and when enlightened in some form as tirthankar teaching what is needed to know in that time and place.
I would appreciate it if you could be more concise. Just write in down to earth short sentences so I can understand you, please.
CAn one do this as human...."]the realization of emptiness and bodhicitta are the fundamentals of Buddhism. It is just a fact that there is no happiness other then with this realization"If fully realized certainly. But many buddhist schools assert that full enlightenment or realization of emptiness cannnot be attained as human.
People say lots of things. That don't make it true. Of course, enlightenment in this body in this life is possible. That is the point of Vajrayana.
One advances as much as one can as human then must go to some other place to really be fully enlightened. The buddha being considered as simple example, not real human. HOw one as human can best advance to that place not that one may actually realize full enlightenment as human...there are differing views on this thing in buddhism it seems.
The Buddha left the methods to achieve his level in one life. That is the point of Vajrayana. One does not need to take a survery of views and then try to find the least common denominator. Buddhism is the truth of our condition, and the path to happiness.
Me personally...I abscribe to no buddhist nor jainist view. I am not looking for anything except perhaps on occasion useful tools..my path is clear to me. I have no uncertainties, no questions not here or elsewhere beyond what I find before me. I am stateing that to qualify this as not a personal discussion, which it is why it is here and not in the personal section.
So this is not about me but about this issue..western buddhist I am contending may be better served by jainism than buddhism...it fits them better.
One would only advocate this based on a misunderstanding of even the most basic principals of dharma.
Happiness..jains seem happy and their religion claims happiness when enlightened.
Their happiness is impermanent. A formless realm rebirth may last a long time, but the ultimate fruit is a re-birth in hell, because it cycles in samsara. Impermanence and samsara are the most basic principles of dharma. If one doesn't understand these basics, then one may not see a difference between Buddhism and Jainism.
Jains I would reasonably say could make this very same statement with one little replacement.."It is your mind. It's nature is primordial peace. Don't forget that. ..coming up with the same thing basically in practice and effect.
No they won't. Jains don't have this view. Their view is liberation is achieved via aceticism, behaviors comporting to tenets, and shamata meditation. They have the notion of vipashyana.
YOu will find if I for instance started a thread on this.. many buddhist advocating for a completely pacifist approach to this and saying things such as...if I am a higher buddhist that wants only to attain enlightenment and not just a ordinary buddhist I do this...."If there is a killer like bin Laden who is set on killing whole nations, a pacifist will let it happen." be completely pacifist. We could find a thread on that I'd guess around here somewhere one may say that in approximation...
so is not Jain the better vehicle for them? It being variable in buddhism but not variable in jain, use of military guns police things of that sort.
Buddhism is more flexible than Jainism and give people latitude to be strictly vegetarian and pacifist. It does't make them a Jain.