ronnewmexico wrote:One should not have been in that situation...hate to say it........... but the real reality of violence is it is almost(not always) but almost a consequence of not being aware of peoples things and circumstances.
ronnewmexico wrote:No in real circumstance. Karma may allow for the very rare occurance of violence to happen upon a totally innocent person.
Tell me everytime you enter a place you are aware of each and every person in that place can study them do study them and find them to be threat to yourself or other...(you may have to protect other)....and then after you do that...tell me then things just happen mostly by accident.
They do not. They happen as we don't pay attention...that is how violence happens.
As unconscious thing wolves...will predate a hurt animal. If you are around wolves you will know they can tell who is sick or injured. That is their preference. They attack unhurt only at last resort as that requires more energy.
People as they are attack as predators those of them that are appearing unaware...almost always.That is our indicator of hurt.We attack those who appear to not know. Humans are physically corrupt they can't even catch a rabbit, even a hurt rabbit..they suck physcially.
Human catch rabbit in only one way...unawares,they catch rabbit or thing unawares.
So subconsciously the marker for human predationb is almost always one who is perceived as unawares.
So present as aware...you will like as not not be the choice of victim...that is martial arts. Knowing that. That is buddhism.
ronnewmexico wrote:I am as he is by appearence then in his mind aware of things as he sees them. He may folk with me...but only at last resort.
I could go on and on..98% of this thing of violence is appearence. 2% innocent victim of karma
If you want to learn martial arts fighting technique and spend large amounts of your time preparing for the 2%...I say go for it.
ronnewmexico wrote:My point is about all would find their time better spent in studying awareness and people how they are aware than fighting technique.
One can never just sit on martial arts fighting training and expect it to work when applied to my opinion.
my point you seem to agree with is we must spend much more time in being aware and prepared for any circumstance we may enter into.
You are wrong to my opinion firmly stated..but I can't prove such a thing...
I know only what I do as instructed works. So I fear not violence.
You can try to define it in any manner that suits your argument, but awareness is not awakening, it is merely a component of awakening.ronnewmexico wrote:Buddhism in a context of some manner may be called the process of becomeing awake. Awake may in this context be called becoming aware.
Fighting is 100% auxillary to awareness but it is 100% central to any real martial art.Martial arts in this context can be considered buddhism as we are becomeing aware in this process, it is key to the process. Fighting is auxiliary to the process.
So does robbing a bank or stalking a rape victim, do these activities also lead to awakening?Martal arts in any teaching i have had..... always insists the first step in any defensive process is being aware of what and who is around you, who is your opponant.
Don't know what martial art you have practiced but all the ones I know involve controlled violence being directed at oneself (and not always controlled depending on the student/teacher you have in front of you).Martial arts protects from violence upon oneself.
Yes it is, otherwise it is not a martial art, it is dance or some other kind of abstract bodily movement.martial arts is not necessasrily fighting.
So why do martial arts? Why not just take up jogging?Running away is always taught as the first method to my experience.
There are many, many cases that I know of personally where they are 100 % definitely not consistent!Martial arts are entirely consistant with buddhism.
ronnewmexico wrote:good...we agree then.
ergo I remain with initial point on this page which is..."but the real reality of violence is it is almost(not always) but almost a consequence of not being aware of peoples things and circumstances.
Suchly the greatest protection from violence is preventing the circumstance from presenting.By being aware...it then is buddhism."
Martial arts are entirely consistant with buddhism.
ronnewmexico wrote:So your point on killing being preesent posssibly and thus rejected that vehicle as buddhism....as potential of killing is present in both and one being known as established buddhist practice... that is rejected.