I made three points in my last post and your replies are in complete error. Firstly you said:
And I gave you the example of my friend showing how your gross over generalization is a basic mistake.
And I told you that you need to do research before you talk. Most people with severe Schizophrenia cannot get off medications because they will experience what is called "decompensation." Your friend case is not severe or rare. Once again, you need to do research. And if you have spare time, please visit assisted living facilities (state funded) and see these people for yourself.
Secondly you don't need to tell me you are not a doctor as I told you that I deduced you are not one anyway. Thirdly what I was saying about contingencies and false shells and people in absolute desperation grasping at their concepts/rituals/belief/... (Buddhist or otherwise) and talking about them in error 24/7 was about the core and real essence of the path and the view of how absolutely everything in the cosmos really is and as taught by our masters, not your current belief of "Buddhist Psychology" whatever your personal pet theory is on that.
This is your view. And I don't adhere to. If you understand western psychology at all, you will understand that Buddhism is actually psychology. Remember Buddhism is not just Tibetan Buddhism.
As most peple easily understood. Even a basic understanding of emptiness will shatter all your constructs into smitherings never mind deeper insights. This is also a very ultra modern general scientific view too as opposed to the antique Victorian doctrines on soliditiy some need to cling to in sheer terror and need to force on others too for personal validation.
Shatter my constructs? Show me.
So apart from not having intuitions and instincts, very necessary for work in this field and in cognitives part of what is known as bottom-up semantics/intelligence and missing in top-down obsessives, you also do not understand very basic communications (even when written down) as just proven.
I think you have been getting a little personal with me my friend. Refrain from emotional outburst please. You have been telling me what I am and what I am not. I am sure I was very clear in what I said, and here you are talking about me not understanding basic communications. What does this prove anything? I have responded to to what you said. Don't be thinking that what you said is absolute truth and when I responded to you, you reacted with emotions. Don't be upset when I don't adhere to your opinion. Who have problems with basic communications now? Staying civil in a discussion might be your communication issue.
Again, you are making a statement about my expertise. Don't you find this is a bit personal and has nothing to do with the actual discussion? Don't resort to personal remarks please. Try to attack my what I said and NOT me as a character in order to discredit me, therefore discredit what I said. Has it not been clear to you that I am not here to cure or treat people? Why are you making a statement about my expertise? For someone who seems to know nothing about the field.
Again, I was making a statement about my clients who have experienced severe mental illnesses, namely severe schizophrenia. These people have experienced mental illnesses since they were young, and now they are in their 40s-60s. It is a fact (not a generalization) that severe schizophrenia
needs medications for the rest of their lives. The case you mentioned about your friend is either not severe or rare. There are similar symptoms to schizophrenia but not necessarily schizophrenia, e.g., substance abuse also experience symptoms that are similar to mental illnesses. Again, medications and therapy are one tools of many from the box...then you jumped to all many assumptions about me about my expertise. And here you are talking about communication basics.
So I would advise and urge you in the name of basic humanity (never mind Buddhism) to be much more careful and polite and gentle and empathic with the poor suffering patients who have been thrown into contact with you and not give dangerous cavalier off the cuff advice as you often do and in this thread too.
This is your opinion. I have already explained to you that I am not here to cure or treat people. It was merely a thought. Why are you acting like I am an evil doctor or therapist or something? Again you made a lot of assumptions about me. I have explained to you it is not my expertise. Why are still playing like you are helping the original poster when in reality you just want to be right? I find it personal that you think I am some sort of experimenter and even brought up examples of such people. Basically, that is indirectly attacking me or making a false statement about my expertise, and assuming that I am using therapy on people. Sorry we only operate within our expertise. I have already explained to you that I am offering a thought.
You need to stop reacting with emotions. It is merely a discussion. You act like I am a criminal or something.
Also please do not tell vulnerable patients to follow your made up simplistic theory of 'Buddhist Psychlogy' as you keep urging but to seek expert medical help by doctors and follow those instructions instead. Good luck to you and them.
You are making a lot of assumptions about what I do. I think it is personal and straying off from the actual discussion.
Let me recap:
1) I was merely offering a thought, an alternative to Vajrayana because it might not be the best fit for Vajrayana but he can still benefit from the psychology of Buddhism or Buddhist teachings. You don't have to agree with me. It's merely a thought. But don't get personal. I was not offering therapy, or claiming that I do. By you making assumptions about my career expertise or what I do is bit personal and off topic.
2)We are not denying therapy or medications. But these are only tools and many tools can be employed. So essentially, the original poster can benefit from the psychology of Buddhism or Buddhist teachings in combination with western psychology or therapy and medications. You don't have to agree with this 'Buddhist psychology,' but remember Vajrayana is NOT the only form of Buddhism out there. Buddhist teachings are psychology by definition-studying the mind, looking at the mind, and behavior
. An advanced form of psychology actually.Take introduction to psychology, and you will understand. So if you don't know what you are talking about, please do research before you speak.
3) So what are talking about all these treatments and me employing psuedo therapy? Come one man, I have been very clear with what I said. Once again. I am not here to cure him or to treat him. Merely offering a thought. Okay. Hard to grasp?
Lastly, if you cannot control your emotions and stay civil, don't respond anymore.