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Re: Thoughts

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:30 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Thoughts

Postby muni » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:44 am

Dzogchen is our nature. Dzogchen is not an easy or an not easy cultivation. What already is, is not to find in created books ABOUT.

ps: Peace isn't created. It is there, only not seen through habitual fixated knowing. Merely watching thoughts from distance can help us all, whatever which religion or practice. They are allowed to evaporate.

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Postby seraphim » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:57 am

One can't even learn Aikido or cooking properly without a teacher, let alone Dzogchen!

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Re: Thoughts

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The best meditation is no meditation

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The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:32 am

Dear KY,

I was not referring to you, but recently we had Flow, now Thigle and before them caveman, actually I would say that you are the ONLY bonpopa on this site that DOES NOT have an inferiority complex!
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:45 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Thoughts

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Thoughts

Postby florin » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:54 pm

for me is not that easy.
I am at "looking and not seeing anything". This is where i am stuck.

what about listening to people ,talking and being involved in activities which require using your memory and concepts?How is that accomplished?How is that integrated?

I find really difficult to understand how to marry "looking back and not seeing anything"with listening or talking for example to somebody where you have to use memory and concepts and then trying to integrate these activities with that where is nothing but space...Obviously the concepts and memory is the clarity aspect.
But how do you integrate this clarity with the "not seeing anything"?
Well ...some would say that they never been separated .But for me they are.
I am at the level where they are separated ,unfortunately :tantrum:

How can you not fall into dualism when talking?
"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Paul » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:57 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Thoughts

Postby florin » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:43 pm

there is a danger in "looking" because one can objectify "that" and get stuck there .
i think is where i have a problem.

occasionally i get past the looking and i think i have it .its how they describe it in texts but immediately some kind of fear arises in the form of doubt, questioning "is it this" or "am i doing it right" .

it is a constant and repeated fall from grace into samasara.
"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"

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Postby username » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:15 am

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Paul » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:35 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Thoughts

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Thoughts

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:38 am

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Sönam » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:15 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Malcolm » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:47 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Thoughts

Postby Sönam » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:22 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -


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