I think, therefore I am

[Silent Forest]

Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?

[ronnewmexico]

I'd opt for not quite..... Thought itself though solely not considered caused can not without cause exist. Try thinking a thought which has not a preceeding thought nor vision nor memory nor sense before it....cannot happen. One can't do it. The perametes of though prevent it.

The connotation of I then existing....has it backassward.
I think not I am not, is more like it. Thought found not singularly I doing the thinking, but always partial result of cause.
Suchly I is found partial result of cause.

Eternalistically framed thinking that is, absolutists thinking on things. One object one subject. Unexamined sure..logical sense. Examined....no not at all.
One process one object is unnaturally assumed one. I find oxygen everywhere so oxygen is eternal...that kind of thing, a fault in logic by means.

[Chaz]

Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?

How about "I think, therefore I think I am.".

[conebeckham]

How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

[Silent Forest]

How about "I think, therefore I think I am.".

I think not I am not, is more like it.

Also Intentional (meditative) not-thinking or only unintentional?

[ronnewmexico]

Thoughts..thoughts can be word thoughts of considered consciously know things. Thoughts also can be of the light shape and form variety with no words to speak of.The latter being considered subconscious. But both are thoughts. No thought...well then which is thought and which is not? Is the second no thought...I would say not. The first certainly is. When a word thought ceases before another begins is there a empty space or is it filled by a perceptable something. I opt for the something which I call thought as well.

REally the I think therefore I am to my opinion does not speak to the qualification of what type of thought but mainly that one produces something independently(thought thinking) and that proves the second, I am.

REally we produce thought but the production is not something from nothings but a combination of very many causes.
So the second drawing on the first is drawn since the first is wrong or improperly stated also wrong.

[Chaz]

How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

Hmmmmmmm .......

An interesting statement, but would it perhaps be more appropriate to say "...... a thinker appears to exist."?

[conebeckham]

^works for me!

[Sherab]

How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

<blank> , therefore thoughts, therefore thinker, therefore I

[David N. Snyder]

It is precisely because I think,
that I change,
that I cannot remain I.

(original author unknown)



I think, therefore I am not what I think I am.

(http://paulgerhards.com/blog_thisisthat ... hink-i-am/)

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

I think I think therefore I think I am

[LastLegend]

Well, I think therefore I am is correct...because we are deluded now. Actually, just don't think about yourself think about others (what can you do to benefit others). Yes, I think therefore I am is still correct.

If you don't think, then who is doing the thinking? Just that don't think about yourself too much because this is fault. Like Hui Neng said true treaders of the path don't find faults in others. But they find faults in their thinking and what they do and correct them. So the fault of us is we think about ourselves too much when we should be thinking about what we can to benefit others. Examples of such is dedicating merits, cultivating 10 virtuous acts, etc.

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

I think I think therefore I think "I think therefore I am" is what I think

[David N. Snyder]

I sink, therefore I swam.

I link, therefore I spam.

I oink, therefore I ham.


(http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... ad#p112994)

[Sherab]

How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

<blank> , therefore thoughts, therefore thinker, therefore I

I, therefore thinker, therefore thoughts, therefore <blank>

[LastLegend]

I think about myself, therefore I suffer

[adinatha]

How about where's the thought?

[gnegirl]

How about where's the thought?

Isn't it by the beef?

[ram peswani]

Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?

Is there some one here who says, believes and knows " You think, therefore I am"

[gregkavarnos]

Is there some one here who says, believes and knows " You think, therefore I am"

If there is no "I" then there is no "you".