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I think, therefore I am

Postby Silent Forest » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:20 pm

Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby ronnewmexico » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:23 pm

I'd opt for not quite..... Thought itself though solely not considered caused can not without cause exist. Try thinking a thought which has not a preceeding thought nor vision nor memory nor sense before it....cannot happen. One can't do it. The perametes of though prevent it.

The connotation of I then existing....has it backassward.
I think not I am not, is more like it. Thought found not singularly I doing the thinking, but always partial result of cause.
Suchly I is found partial result of cause.

Eternalistically framed thinking that is, absolutists thinking on things. One object one subject. Unexamined sure..logical sense. Examined....no not at all.
One process one object is unnaturally assumed one. I find oxygen everywhere so oxygen is eternal...that kind of thing, a fault in logic by means.
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Chaz » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:43 pm

Silent Forest wrote:Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?



How about "I think, therefore I think I am.".
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby conebeckham » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:45 pm

How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Silent Forest » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:46 pm

Chaz wrote:How about "I think, therefore I think I am.".

:twothumbsup:

ronnewmexico wrote:I think not I am not, is more like it.

Also Intentional (meditative) not-thinking or only unintentional?
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby ronnewmexico » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:48 pm

Thoughts..thoughts can be word thoughts of considered consciously know things. Thoughts also can be of the light shape and form variety with no words to speak of.The latter being considered subconscious. But both are thoughts. No thought...well then which is thought and which is not? Is the second no thought...I would say not. The first certainly is. When a word thought ceases before another begins is there a empty space or is it filled by a perceptable something. I opt for the something which I call thought as well.

REally the I think therefore I am to my opinion does not speak to the qualification of what type of thought but mainly that one produces something independently(thought thinking) and that proves the second, I am.

REally we produce thought but the production is not something from nothings but a combination of very many causes.
So the second drawing on the first is drawn since the first is wrong or improperly stated also wrong.
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Chaz » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:54 pm

conebeckham wrote:How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"


Hmmmmmmm .......

An interesting statement, but would it perhaps be more appropriate to say "...... a thinker appears to exist."?
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby conebeckham » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:11 pm

^works for me!
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Sherab » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:22 am

conebeckham wrote:How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

<blank> , therefore thoughts, therefore thinker, therefore I
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:14 am

It is precisely because I think,
that I change,
that I cannot remain I.

(original author unknown)



I think, therefore I am not what I think I am.

(http://paulgerhards.com/blog_thisisthat ... hink-i-am/)
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:33 pm

I think I think therefore I think I am
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby LastLegend » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:39 pm

Well, I think therefore I am is correct...because we are deluded now. Actually, just don't think about yourself think about others (what can you do to benefit others). Yes, I think therefore I am is still correct.

If you don't think, then who is doing the thinking? Just that don't think about yourself too much because this is fault. Like Hui Neng said true treaders of the path don't find faults in others. But they find faults in their thinking and what they do and correct them. So the fault of us is we think about ourselves too much when we should be thinking about what we can to benefit others. Examples of such is dedicating merits, cultivating 10 virtuous acts, etc.
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:45 pm

I think I think therefore I think "I think therefore I am" is what I think

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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:45 pm

I sink, therefore I swam.

I link, therefore I spam.

I oink, therefore I ham.


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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Sherab » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:29 am

conebeckham wrote:How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

<blank> , therefore thoughts, therefore thinker, therefore I

I, therefore thinker, therefore thoughts, therefore <blank>
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby LastLegend » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:48 am

I think about myself, therefore I suffer
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby adinatha » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:18 am

How about where's the thought?
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby gnegirl » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:06 am

adinatha wrote:How about where's the thought?


Isn't it by the beef?
"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby ram peswani » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:42 am

Silent Forest wrote:Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?


Is there some one here who says, believes and knows " You think, therefore I am"
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Re: I think, therefore I am

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:58 am

ram peswani wrote:Is there some one here who says, believes and knows " You think, therefore I am"
If there is no "I" then there is no "you".
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"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
Naropa - Summary of the View from The Eight Doha Treasures
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