Dharma Wheel

A Buddhist discussion forum on Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism
It is currently Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:35 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: I think, therefore I am
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:20 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:46 pm
Posts: 23
Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:17 pm
Posts: 1601
I'd opt for not quite..... Thought itself though solely not considered caused can not without cause exist. Try thinking a thought which has not a preceeding thought nor vision nor memory nor sense before it....cannot happen. One can't do it. The perametes of though prevent it.

The connotation of I then existing....has it backassward.
I think not I am not, is more like it. Thought found not singularly I doing the thinking, but always partial result of cause.
Suchly I is found partial result of cause.

Eternalistically framed thinking that is, absolutists thinking on things. One object one subject. Unexamined sure..logical sense. Examined....no not at all.
One process one object is unnaturally assumed one. I find oxygen everywhere so oxygen is eternal...that kind of thing, a fault in logic by means.

_________________
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:23 am
Posts: 452
Location: Denver, CO
Silent Forest wrote:
Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?



How about "I think, therefore I think I am.".


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Posts: 2808
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

_________________
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:46 pm
Posts: 23
Chaz wrote:
How about "I think, therefore I think I am.".

:twothumbsup:

ronnewmexico wrote:
I think not I am not, is more like it.

Also Intentional (meditative) not-thinking or only unintentional?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:17 pm
Posts: 1601
Thoughts..thoughts can be word thoughts of considered consciously know things. Thoughts also can be of the light shape and form variety with no words to speak of.The latter being considered subconscious. But both are thoughts. No thought...well then which is thought and which is not? Is the second no thought...I would say not. The first certainly is. When a word thought ceases before another begins is there a empty space or is it filled by a perceptable something. I opt for the something which I call thought as well.

REally the I think therefore I am to my opinion does not speak to the qualification of what type of thought but mainly that one produces something independently(thought thinking) and that proves the second, I am.

REally we produce thought but the production is not something from nothings but a combination of very many causes.
So the second drawing on the first is drawn since the first is wrong or improperly stated also wrong.

_________________
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:23 am
Posts: 452
Location: Denver, CO
conebeckham wrote:
How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"


Hmmmmmmm .......

An interesting statement, but would it perhaps be more appropriate to say "...... a thinker appears to exist."?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Posts: 2808
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
^works for me!

_________________
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:22 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:28 am
Posts: 806
conebeckham wrote:
How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

<blank> , therefore thoughts, therefore thinker, therefore I


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:14 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:23 pm
Posts: 2107
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
It is precisely because I think,
that I change,
that I cannot remain I.

(original author unknown)



I think, therefore I am not what I think I am.

(http://paulgerhards.com/blog_thisisthat ... hink-i-am/)

_________________
Image
www.TheDhamma.com/
Dhamma Wiki encyclopedia
Dhamma Wheel forum


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:33 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm
Posts: 1014
I think I think therefore I think I am


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:39 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:46 pm
Posts: 2445
Location: Washington DC
Well, I think therefore I am is correct...because we are deluded now. Actually, just don't think about yourself think about others (what can you do to benefit others). Yes, I think therefore I am is still correct.

If you don't think, then who is doing the thinking? Just that don't think about yourself too much because this is fault. Like Hui Neng said true treaders of the path don't find faults in others. But they find faults in their thinking and what they do and correct them. So the fault of us is we think about ourselves too much when we should be thinking about what we can to benefit others. Examples of such is dedicating merits, cultivating 10 virtuous acts, etc.

_________________
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Linjii
―Listen! Those of you who devote yourselves to the Dharma
must not be afraid of losing your bodies and your lives―


Last edited by LastLegend on Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:45 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm
Posts: 1014
I think I think therefore I think "I think therefore I am" is what I think

:toilet:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:45 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:23 pm
Posts: 2107
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
I sink, therefore I swam.

I link, therefore I spam.

I oink, therefore I ham.


(http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... ad#p112994)

_________________
Image
www.TheDhamma.com/
Dhamma Wiki encyclopedia
Dhamma Wheel forum


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:28 am
Posts: 806
conebeckham wrote:
How about, "There are thoughts, therefore, somehow, a thinker seems to exist?"

Quote:
<blank> , therefore thoughts, therefore thinker, therefore I

I, therefore thinker, therefore thoughts, therefore <blank>


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:48 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:46 pm
Posts: 2445
Location: Washington DC
I think about myself, therefore I suffer

_________________
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Linjii
―Listen! Those of you who devote yourselves to the Dharma
must not be afraid of losing your bodies and your lives―


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:18 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:07 am
Posts: 886
How about where's the thought?

_________________
CAW!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:22 pm
Posts: 386
Location: Waponi Woo
adinatha wrote:
How about where's the thought?


Isn't it by the beef?

_________________
"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:42 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:53 am
Posts: 245
Silent Forest wrote:
Cogito ergo sum
I think, therefore I am

Or maybe not quite?


Is there some one here who says, believes and knows " You think, therefore I am"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:58 am 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Posts: 10290
Location: Greece
ram peswani wrote:
Is there some one here who says, believes and knows " You think, therefore I am"
If there is no "I" then there is no "you".
:namaste:

_________________
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group