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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Monks, even if bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he among you who let his heart get angered even at that would not be doing my bidding.

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:49 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Individual » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:00 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:02 am

Greetings Individual,

I'd recommend reading what venerable Dhammanando said in the gandhabba thread, if you've not done so.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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The best things in life aren't things.


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Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:17 am

Hi Retro,

I read it all, thank you :thumbsup:

What this sutta describes is also the deathlessness attained by the Buddhas of Mahayana. But according to Mahayana, Buddhas may arise out of emptiness out of compassion, even though they've gone beyond.

Note: this is rather tricky and complicated stuff in the area of Mahayana, to start talking about the existance and/or non-existance of enlightened beings.

Is this different from the Theravadan teachings of the nature of Buddhas?

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:28 am

Greetings Drolma,

Yes, much different. As for finding out the Mahayana perspective, I've been asking a few questions of our Mahayana friends at E-Sangha who might well have some insight to provide.

Is The Buddha Considered Eternal, in Mahayana Buddhism?
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index. ... opic=83799

Compare what they say to the Theravadin understanding of the Buddha being genuinely unenlightened prior to becoming enlightened under the Bodhi tree at the age of 35. His years of asceticism were very real and not just an elaborate ruse to demonstrate the futility of harsh asceticism. His years of sensuous delights in the Palace were very real, not just an elaborate ruse to demonstrate the futility of sensual pleasures. As for what happened after his death, see the above sutta.

This is all of course all light-years away from a Dharmakaya/Nirmanakaya perspective on things.

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:05 am

Hi David!

We can be in the bardo for up to 49 days human-time. Or we can be there for a nano-second human-time.
But bear in mind that this is described in earth-time, not dead-person-time.

I believe that in Theravada rebirth in instantaneous.

Best,
Drolma :heart:



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