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OK to disagree?

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OK to disagree?

Postby Hunter » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:17 am

Question: If I read something in the Pali Canon and i dont agree with is that O.K.? So far I dont disagree with really any of it, but just in case! I dont like that other religions make you accept things with blind faith.

To the Theravada Buddhist is the Pali Canon like the WORD OF BUDDHA, or can one disagree with some of it?

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:22 am

Hi Hunter
The Dhamma as it has been recorded in the Pali Canon is vast and profound. Many people struggle with some material within the Canon.
The Buddha said that one of the qualities of the Dhamma is 'ehi passiko', (must be seen for oneself). So if there is something that you have difficulty with, for the time being, 'put it to the side', and in time, through one's own penetration of the Dhamma from bhavana (mental cultivation) the nature of reality will be revealed to you.
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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:27 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: OK to disagree?

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Re: OK to disagree?

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:34 am

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 am

Thank you for your comments, Bhikku.
I find myself disagreeing so strongly with some of your views that I cannot express my disagreement without either being dishonest or appearing rude, so all I can do is mention my disagreement.
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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Bankei » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:58 am

The Buddhist canon and teachings evolved over many centuries with many things added and subtracted and modified or even distorted along the way. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

When you read the canon or any religious books you should keep this in mind.

ps have you seen the movie The Life of Brian.?
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Re: OK to disagree?

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Re: OK to disagree?

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Bankei » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:28 am

I think we should critically look at things, even Buddhist texts/doctrines etc, in a scientific manner.

But we should also not be too quick to dismiss or reject things outright.

There is a movement within Japanese Buddhism called Hihan Bukkyo/Critical Buddhism. It was started off by 2 Soto Zen Priests and academics at Komazawa uni in Tokyo. They argued that most of Japanese Buddhism (and Mahayana) was not actually Buddhism because it deviated from the teachings of the Buddha. Thats just what we need in Theravada, a critical look at the teachings and practices.
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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:47 am

We're getting back onto ground covered in the 'Two Naked Buddhas' thread here a while ago.

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Re: OK to disagree?

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:01 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby adosa » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:17 am

"To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas" - Dhammapada 183

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Re: OK to disagree?

Postby notself » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:44 am

Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he is indeed the noblest victor who conquers himself. ---Dhp 103

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Re: OK to disagree?

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Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he is indeed the noblest victor who conquers himself. ---Dhp 103


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