Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

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Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

Postby padma norbu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:10 pm

A friend of mine was advising that I should do this. He learned it on a 3-day retreat. I found that Namkhai Norbu offers a text on this practice, but the explanation is a little confusing to me. I am not sure if I need more than the general transmission in order to practice it.

So, I'm just wondering if I have permission to do Namkhai Norbu's "Vajra Armor" text/practice or if I need something more.

I looked at the list of lungs Namkhai Norbu read on the last day of retreat and I see that I wrote down "Protection Mantra - may be activated by 3-day retreat." I did not write down "Vajra Armor" anywhere, but that does not mean Namkhai Norbu didn't say that's what it was. I was struggling to hear what I was receiving and writing down as fast as possible.
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Re: Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

Postby Pero » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:18 pm

I don't think he uses the words "vajra armor", more likely he said "dorjei kotrab". He often gives this mantra and it's the only one that needs at least a three day personal retreat to activate, so you probably did receive the lung for it. And in this case you do need just the lung for it (not sure if that's what you meant with "general transmission" though).
There is another more elaborate vajra armor practice by Lama Dawa though and that needs also empowerment if I remember right.
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Postby padma norbu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:38 pm

The text book is called "The Vajra Armour."
http://www.shangshungstore.org/index.ph ... tail&p=125

Presumably this is the same thing I received lung for which I wrote down as "protection mantra - can activate with 3-day retreat" and he probably chose to call it "dorjei kotrab" at the time which is why I didn't write it down, since I probably had no idea what he just said or how to spell it.

So, this 3-day retreat is something you can do on your own? (I suppose it doesn't actually matter at the moment because I can not actually DO a 3-day retreat. Impossible for me.)
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Postby padma norbu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:36 pm

Sorry, Namdrol, I don't know what you mean by that statement.
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Postby padma norbu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:58 pm

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Postby heart » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:22 pm

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Postby Pero » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:33 pm

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Postby padma norbu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:38 pm

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Postby padma norbu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:48 pm

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Re: Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

Postby Adamantine » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:08 am

The answer you seem to not have understood from Namdrol I believe was him saying that yes, the transmission you got in the webcast was the required transmission for Vajra Armor. You are all set. You have it. You can now do it. Go for it. I didn't get to hear the webcast but I trust Namdrol did and knows what he is saying. So you can go ahead and do a three day personal retreat, according to the book.

In the traditional 3-day retreat on this practice though you are not supposed to vocalize anything other than the mantra for the full 3 days and nights, including in your own dreams. For many of us, who do not have full mastery over lucid dream-yoga or the ability to not activate the vocal chords when coughing, sneezing, or banging our toes, etc.. then this retreat alone may prove quite challenging. According to Lama Dawa, this is why it is of great benefit to do the retreat under the auspices of a qualified Lama: because in this context any vocalization that is accidentally made can be confessed in writing to the Lama and then instructions can be given to purify it properly, --which repairs the energy-leakage and keeps the resonating flow of mantra power intact. So while it may be easier and cheaper to simply shutter your windows, turn off the phone and do a home retreat, --there is great benefit in doing it with a lineage master present. Plus, there are also 'tests' done by Lama Dawa that determine the affects of the mantra on your own development at the end!
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Postby heart » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:48 am

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Re: Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

Postby pemachophel » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:17 pm

I've received Dorje Gotrab from three different Lamas: ChNNR, Tulku Sang-ngak, and Lama Dawa Chodrak. All three transmissions have been based on Dorje Lingpa's terma and Mipham's commentary. However, each of these three Teachers has taught this practice quite differently.

ChNNR's transmission has been the simplest as has been explained already in this thread. Magnus's last explanation says everything that needs to be said from that POV. I have a long-time Dharma friend who did a three-day retreat based on this transmission and did see some sign of accomplishment. In his case, a ganglion cyst he had had for some time spontaneously remitted. I believe he reported this to Rinpoche Who did say this was a sign of accomplishment.

Tulku Sang-ngak in addition has taught the visualization and short sadhana by Khenpo Ngawang Palzang (a.k.a. Khenpo Ngakchung). Tulku Sang-ngak received this from H.H. Chatral Rinpoche (among others). So immensely great blessings there. When I received this practice from Tulku Sang-ngak I don't remember the idea of the silentthree-day retreat being stressed all that much. It was more as if the practice was being given as a short daily practice. However, given my age and failing memory, I may be completely mistaken about that.

Lama Dawa has received permission from H.H. Dungse Thinley Norbu to teach Dorje Gotrab as a complete path to Enlightenment. This is done through a series of retreats. The retreats are very strict, boundaried, and totally silent (except for the mantra). In fact, even speaking in one's dream is a breach of samaya which must be confessed and amended. At the end of each retreat, one is given a test (related to the various five elements) to see if one has accomplished the mantra at that level. One continues repeating the same level retreat until one manifests the correct result which is an observable change in so-called material reality. Some sadhakas progress faster and others slower. IOW, it may take an individual more or less retreats to accomplish a given level. Later on, the retreats are longer and eventually include yang-ti dark retreats. Between retreats, one must keep the samaya of saying at least one mala of the mantra each day. Of course, one can say more. While health and healing are major focuses of this practice, it obviously goes beyond those aims. These have been some of the most powerful experiences I have had in the Dharma in over more than four decades of practice. The way Lama Dawa teaches this practice, it is very unambiguous. You totally know whether you got it or not and what level you are on.

Although I feel blessed and fortunate to have received this practice from three different Teachers and Their respective lineages, IMHO, Lama Dawa's approach is in a class of its own. I highly, highly recommend it to anyone who would like to accomplish a Vajrayana practice and know that they have accomplished it with all that that implies on outer, inner, secret, and most secret levels.

Typically, Lama Dawa offers Dorje Gotrab retreats each fall and spring. This fall will be the first series of retreats to be held on Rinpoche's land in Iowa. See www.saraswatibhawan.org for more information.
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Re: Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

Postby Pero » Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:48 pm

Thanks a lot for that interesting in-depth explanation. Too bad Lama Dawa doesn't go to Europe, I'd be interested in receiving his teachings on this practice. BTW, though not a samaya, you have to maintain a daily recitation in the practice taught by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche too. If you break the daily recitation you lose the function of the mantra and have to repeat the 3 day retreat, or so it's explained.
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Postby padma norbu » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:46 pm

In the past month, I have not done a darn thing as far as dharma practice goes.

Instead, I've been eating raw food, taking GABA, getting a lot of rest and focusing on my work and trying to exercise more. And I feel much better.

Could I do this all and still spend so much time trying to do dharma practice? Nope. Every day life is a lot easier when you're paying attention to it and working at it very closely. Dharma practice of any sort is not conducive to the real world in my experience, since I function in duality. It just adds a layer of stress to everything. As a matter of fact, I dare say I could probably turn my life around by investing each 24-hour period wisely in accomplishing real-world goals.

I wouldn't say I'm turning my back on Buddhism or Dzogchen, but I'm intentionally NOT doing anything. Still believe it and everything, I just can't function on it. It's like a bad drug for me, I guess.

Even now, just coming back recently to talk about a few things causes me stress. My heart feels like knots, hard to breathe.
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Re: Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

Postby Pero » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:00 pm

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Postby heart » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:03 pm

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Namkhai Norbu's Vajra Armor text/practice

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