Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby dzoki » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:13 am

Does anyone here know which text by Karma Chagme is Rinpoche teaching now? I missed the beginning of the webcast yesterday, I thought it is going to be thugs rje chen po'i dmar khrid phyag rdzogs zung 'jug pa don ldan but apparently this is not the case.

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby dzoki » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:27 am

Aha sorry it is that text, but the english translation I have did not have some parts of the text, so it seemed that it is different text than the text Rinpoche is using.

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:28 am

Yes, Chokyi Nyima's book is the simple short incomplete version but the 2 volumes by Wallace/Gyatrul is more or less complete and you might be referring to one of them. IIRC Karma Chagmey (Araga Asya) did it originally as an oral teaching too.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby Pero » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:05 pm

I think it's the same as the one translated in Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche's book, been following along with it today after I realized that Karma Chagme = Raga Asya = Araga. :rolling:
The one by Gyatrul Rinpoche has a lot more in it, bunch of quotations from tantras that Rinpoche hasn't mentioned. And also it doesn't have the teaching on preliminaries.
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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:23 pm

Chokyi Nyima's doesn't cover all and is not as refernced/scholarly but he is a great teacher in that too as usual and almost a complete great new teaching. Araga is the same person and a merged word like the word khenchen but more endearing like Atul(ku).Wallace/Gyatrul's is covered in two books not just one: A Spacious Path to Freedom: Practical Instructions on the Union of Mahamudra and Atiyoga plus Naked Awareness: Practical Instructions on the Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen.
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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby Pero » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:36 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:58 pm

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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby Pero » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:03 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:30 pm

Well Chagmey didn't just compose 8 short poems but taught it orginally orally during a whole month like ChNNR but probably more than a couple of hours a day. Most of Chokyi Nyima's not large book is actually his own new amazing teaching (commentary) on the skeleton of the root text but his (based on orals too) and current ChNNR's are more profound than Wallace's large translation based on Gyatrul's scholarly commentary (plus prelim and supplementary chapter of the original) all of which is closer to the original which was much longer than all.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby dzoki » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:17 am

Seems that webcast is down today, does anyone else have the same experience?

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby Sönam » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:10 pm

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:14 pm

I immediately switched to the old streaming system and it was working even before he started speaking so I didn't miss anything. This happens often as the web page Video/Audio/Replay is Flash based. Simply download a good media (audio) stream player like winamp.com or VLC and use the following addresses. Not as good in auto-reconnect but windows media player works too. The LOW version stream has less quality but when the normal used to get overloaded it was the only working. Now many don't use this old system so it is less needed as the normal quality is mostly working.

When watching or listening live one should be respectful and behave properly as though a teacher is in the room.

http://www.freezecast.com:8000/audio
LOW quality:
http://www.freezecast.com:8000/audio_low

If it is a closed webcast use the following addresses and replace XXXXXX with your username for logging in and YYYYYY with your password, separated by : between the two.
http://XXXXXX:[email protected]:8000/audio
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http://XXXXXX:[email protected]:8000/audio_low
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby heart » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:29 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby ratna » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:06 pm

Rinpoche is teaching from 'phags pa thugs rje chen po'i dmar khrid phyag rdzogs zung 'jug gi nyams len snying po bsdus pa. This is the root text commented on in Chökyi Nyima Rinpoche's book.

The Tibetan is available from here: .

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby Pero » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:27 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:49 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby heart » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:16 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Present course with Nanmkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Postby username » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:06 am

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes


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