Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

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Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

Postby adinatha » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:57 am

There are interesting passages in Saraha's Treasury of Dohas and some things mentioned by the commentator, Chomden Raldri, pointing to another commentary by Moksaragupta that indicate Dzogchen:

The nature of the innate cannot be told with words,
Yet the instructions of the master can be seen with the eye.


Five lights being hinted?

The mind must be apprehended like the sky,
Just like the sky, so should the mind be held.

If the mind is taken to be like the sky, the wind is quelled;
Being totally aware of sameness, they subside.
When you have the ability spoken of by Saraha,
Impermanence and instability become quickly abandoned.
If wind, fire and the great elements are ceased,
When the ambrosia flows, wind enters the mind.
When the four yogas are settled in one place,
The sky cannot contain such supreme bliss.


The commentator mentions:

[Y]ou must look into the cloudless sky. Indicating one stares into the sky until nature of mind, observer and sky are nondual. The looking is at the actual sky.

Kyela! Look with your senses;
Than this I have realized no more.


The commentator further indicates:

If this is meditated upon,
A body like a rainbow will be attained.

And:

If one is free of knowing this...
...a body which is like a rainbow arises which travels in the sky.


Finally, Moskaragupta indicates day and night yogas with visual signs.

Saraha also refutes the path of means:

On the stalk of a petaled lotus, in the center of the corolla,
A very subtle fiber, fragrant and colored:
Such distinctions come and make the deluded suffer.
Do not turn the fruit for which you long into nothing.


The commentator interprets:

One should give up meditation in which one develops many circuits of channels...

To sum up, Saraha clearly presses the notion of the inexpressible innate. Second, that it must be perceived with the senses. Third, that is done with the physical sky. Fourth, that it causes the elements to subside. Fifth, it is not part of the path of means. Sixth, the fruit is the rainbow body. Isn't this Dzogchen?
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Re: Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

Postby adinatha » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:31 am

Additionally, the commentary states:

The Prophecy on the Intention of the Tantras states:

The various mundane designations,
Divisive conceptuality, and enlightenment,
Always arise as wind.


If the disciple ultimately guards well what must be heard, the poison spike, or the poison buried in his heart, that is, the root mind, dissolves into dust, into luminosity, for it is pure from the root. Though Moksaragupta explains the heart as the indestructible vital point, this is the luminosity of the mind, and therefore it fades away there. For example, when water is poured into water, the water is all the same. Just so, the root mind and luminosity become one. Tilopa explains:

"The aggregates, senses, and sense realms
All arise out of and fade into
The nature of co-emergent mind.


Here the wind, root mind, the innate aka co-emergent mind, and the indestructible heart bindu are mentioned together. When the poison wind is recognized as luminosity, the wind dissolves into the heart-bindu, leaving only the luminosity. Another way to say this is that the conceptual thought itself is realized to be luminosity and thus it fads away.

Just like the sight of the snake-like black rope
And they are terrified.


But when one realizes the rope is a rope, there is no terror. Similarly, when one realizes the terror is luminosity, there is no terror. The physical description of wind dissolving into the heart-bind and the experiential recognition of conceptual thought being recognized as luminosity is the same thing.
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Re: Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

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Re: Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

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Re: Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

Postby adinatha » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:24 pm

Saraha's meaning re "the innate" is a realization analogous to the body of light and the fourth appearance of thogal. This realization can produce the experience of five lights and dissolution of the elements. The meaning of this Doha is identical to the meaning of the final testaments of the masters of the Zhang Zhung Nyen Gyu.
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Re: Saraha, Moksaragupta and Dzogchen

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