Who are the tulkus in the documentary "TULKU"

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Postby ronnewmexico » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:51 pm

I agree with that 100%

By the useage of the wording here, the term "story" could infer creative or constructive recollection.

I'd guess that is not at all the case.
It was probably not intended but could well be inferred by some that read this. Which would be quite unfortunate. Especially in the event one familiar with him reads this.
So I have clarified.

It was added as others are now useing this term as well.

He says now this..... would not infer a creative construction.
His story now is....infers a creative constructive componant.

Sometimes those of the very least spiritual attainments have recollections. General George Patton to some rumor was a advent supporter of the notion of reincarnation based in part on his "feelings" he had previous lives as a battle commander in various capacities.
So it can mean nothing at all as well. It may just speak to a past life spiritual attainment of some sort not now apparent at all.

Imagine being lost in a cycle of battle commander and then hell and then battle commander again and again...what pain!!! Over and over.
I'd guess even I may start to rember things in those lost cycles of human lives. It would be so painful.
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Postby username » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:04 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Postby Dechen Norbu » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:15 am

My take on the tulku system is pretty simple: unless one is a direct tulku, one better stay silent and have no public recognition. Only direct tulkus should be given the title. That would avoid a lot of trouble. The tulku system has been used as a pretext for all sorts of political games. Every aristocratic family is filled to their ears with tulkus. It's not a secret that when a son of a wealthy Tibetan family is to be born, vacant titles and positions are scanned to see which ones are available. It's a freaking shame, that's what it is.

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Postby ronnewmexico » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:57 am

to add as a general comment not to anyone in particular..

there are warts in all organized religions.
Those that take these things hardest to my experience are those that have unrealistic views of a religion and its relationship to the politic of the area it inhabits.

One author I have read described ancient tibet as a mandella of perfection in which all was religion and all were happy..

Not true of course. But all religions in their formal structural result have glitches and glabs.
Dharma as has been pointed out is another issue entirely.
To my opinion at one point in time the Tulku position had a very real necessity and provided real aid to dharma in those areas.
Perhaps not now..I am not qualified to make such distinctions or judgements. I will leave that to others.
Threads such as these,(this one has not as yet) can easily turn into pure slams by some that hold agenda.
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.

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Postby Adamantine » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:07 am

What are we supposed to expect of Bodhisattvas
Namdrol, perfect recall of their past life? Of all their lives?
Or simply some relative recall of the immediate last life, similar
to an average persons memory of their childhood?
Just wondering....

And can you site the sources that say this?

You seem to believe N.Norbu is an actual reincarnation of
who he's supposed to be because the text he wrote was
practically identical to his predecessors without him
seeing it in this life, correct? But are you implying he is
not actually a proper (or impressive) Tulku because
he doesn't have full blown memories?
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Postby Sönam » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:06 am

The best way to get rid of that tulku business is to considere that we are all tulkus ...

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