Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:41 am

I should be stupid ... I see not a glimpse of light in that thread, not the slightest beginning of interest, it's just mind tripping and ego playing gossip.
If one is looking for a counter exemple of right speaking, there is the place ... wether Bönpo or Buddhist !

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:19 pm

The Buddha's enlightenment can be called full, or complete enlightenment because it means that all the obscurations and causes of obscrurations which conceal the true, luminous quality of mind are fully and completely eliminated.

For example, clinging to anger is eliminated and also anything which might cause one to cling to anger, or for any 'real' anger to arise in the future has been fully eliminated.

Does this mean that desire, revulsion and ignorance themselves are eliminated?
A buddha fully realizes that these kleshas have no inherent existence, so you could say they are liberated, or that any sense of their 'reality' has been transcended.

So, a Buddha still knows happiness, frustration, and even anger, but for him these are like the properties in the board game MONOPOLY. They have no actual meaning outside the game which is being played by ordinary people.

Ordinary beings are like the pieces trapped on the board, and perceive that the game is real, and go around and around and around. That is samsara.

In this regard, it doesn't matter if one is married or not. Rules of celibacy and other prohibitions only serve to keep ordinary beings focused on liberation, and not committing more negative actions.
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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:05 pm

EASY:

Siddhartha was not enlightened when he left the palace.

The Buddha was enlightened six years later.

After enlightenment he returned and his wife and son became monastics and Arahants (enlightened too).

So easy, even a caveman should be able to figure this out.

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby ronnewmexico » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:11 pm

Certainly..perhaps this resident of the cave as well :smile:

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"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby ronnewmexico » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:48 pm

There is a difference of opinion on that, and most probably always will be.

Buddha as emenation or buddha as real person.

Being no scholor I would not venture a definitive guess, but my presumptive guess is in Tibetan buddhism emenation is the prevailing view.

Full enlightenment occuring in a previous time and not in human form.
A scholor could qualify my statement as true of not.

In any event as this thread initiated the buddha...was fully enlightened. In either event.
By one he was not until he sat under the tree. By other he was already as but a emenation, so he was, very basically.
In both events after he concluded his meditation he was fully enlightened.
Called a buddha is fully enlightened.
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:53 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby kirtu » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:55 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby kalden yungdrung » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:55 pm

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby ronnewmexico » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:05 pm

I pesonally don't care a whit.

Buddhism being a tool for me of most effectiveness. The tool of preference for me is found in Mayahana but much liking I have for theravada.

Theravadans to my opinion(no offense to others) seem nicer. So personally as a person conventionally I prefer theravada.

But I don't care much at all what my person likes or dislikes at all...so what matter. Persons are invariably in error.
Will we prove who is right is that the intention of this thread....I suspect not. That would go on for years and years with no resolution.

Striving for this thing is my complusion no choice do I have in it. Show me other and then I would see how exactly it matters.
To me it matters not...I must strive for that thing. It is what I eat breath live and feel.
So what exactly matter I do this thing here or there.

YOu tell me perhaps? What is your concern in this thing?
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby kalden yungdrung » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:12 pm

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Postby ronnewmexico » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:17 pm

Well that's nice, very nice.

You are a compassionate person and I respect your presence and favor the winds which presented us thusly, in this time and place of similiarity.
It is to my great benefit to know you, and others here.
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.


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