Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

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Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby gnegirl » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:17 pm

"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Postby Aemilius » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:49 pm

I've read the prayer. I find it ambiguous & disappointing, what does he intend to ask for ? -that we could continue as before, and then pray that the consequences of our actions would disappear ?
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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby Aemilius » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:54 pm

To explain it better what I meant with "ambiguous", the prayer says: "the polluting fumes of some electricity generating technologies". Here is ambiguity because you don't know whether it means coal-fired power stations or nuclear power stations? Both can be harmful to the atmosphere, depending on the level of technology used, ( and on unpredictable factors).
Also, are we praying for diminution in electricity consumption and thus also in electricity production? Or something else ? That isn't quite clear.
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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby gnegirl » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:00 pm

It could be a bad translation, we dont have the original tibetan....
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Postby Aemilius » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:30 pm

I think that the prayer is very interesting, in another line it says: " when the world and its inhabitants are nearing dissolution". Does this mean the dissolution phase of a tantric visualisation ? I.e. that the world and its inhabitants is our visualisation ? And that we can dissolve it to emptiness? That is indeed amazing!
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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby username » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:50 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby Aemilius » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:00 pm

The interviewer of Yangsi Dudjom is slightly off, the answers are good, but the tone of the interviewer is hysterical. You can look to the history of planet earth and see how there have been different epochs, and at the end of each epoch there has been a massive extinction event, after which life renews itself and a new epoch begins, see for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E2%80%93T_boundary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

Personally I believe that there have been human cultures for a very long time on planet Earth, like buddhism and hinduism traditionally teach. This means human cultures on past epochs that have been destroyed completely. There are not much traces of these, or the evidence of them has been systematically ignored.
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Postby username » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:09 pm

He is not mechanical on issues of many millions dying like some with limited knowledge, but compassionate.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby kirtu » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:23 pm

The prayer follows a particular pattern (a literary formula) but is operating at different levels. It begins with a homage to his guru and by extension to Guru Rinpoche, there is a prayer for blessing, it highlights the dangers that we face and delivers a pointed teaching of the disruption of the elements and the disastrous consequences that will then ensue, it raises an aspiration and esp. for blessings from the deities and protectors, and concludes with a dedication for the happiness of all beings. It's also a kind of inner teaching as well. It was written to reflect this outer and inner structure.

The dissolution part is talking about the death of beings and the destruction of the environment. It's very straightforward in that line.

It's a heartfelt plea to wake people up.

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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby Aemilius » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:33 pm

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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby gnegirl » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:09 pm

No disasters eh?

Human-induced climate change anyone?
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Postby Aemilius » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:53 pm

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Postby gnegirl » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:43 pm

"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Postby Aemilius » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:21 pm

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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby gnegirl » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:51 pm

Wikipedia is not reliable because anyone and their first cousin can edit the articles in most cases, causing them to have a serious bias and reliability issue.

Citing a single wiki article as a source is problematic at best.
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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

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Re: Prayer to protect the earth by one of the Dudjom Tulkus

Postby gnegirl » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:23 pm



NOAA's link to FAQ's about Climate Change/Global Warming.
"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

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Postby Aemilius » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:08 pm

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