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A Buddhist Ontology of Christian Claims Using the Pali Canon

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A Buddhist Ontology of Christian Claims Using the Pali Canon

Postby Samvega » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:00 pm

A friend of mine, and a true scholar of the Pali Canon, has put together an essay of excepts from the Pali Canon which poses an explanation of the fundamental Christian claims from a Buddhist ontology. It's very interesting stuff. He claims that the ontology outlined in the Pali Canon can in fact explain:


[*]How a being such as Jesus can descend and think himself to be the son of God.
[*]Why Christians believe the things they do regarding the path to God (using parallels from ancient indian schools of thought) and why those beliefs are incorrect
[*]The attaining of union with God through selfless love

You can check it out here:

I'd like to know what everyone thinks.

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Postby Samvega » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:29 pm

Yes, my friend is not a native English speaker, and translates the suttas himself, so there are mistakes sometimes.

I love his take on Christianity though, and that's why I shared it. He's know to remark to his Christian friends that he DOES believe in God, and the God himself (Brahma) is a Buddhist. Cracks me up.

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Mettāya,
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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:58 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Kim OHara » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:57 am

More seriously, I see gaps, discrepancies or mistranslations between 'God' as understood by Christians and 'God' as expounded by the Buddha. The fact that people use the same word doesn't mean they are talking about the same thing.
Similarly, there are gaps between 'attaining ... union with God', 'going to Heaven' as understood by Christians, and 'attaining Nibbana'.

IMO, Buddhism and Christianity match best where they talk about what it is to be a good person. Beyond that, the differences are real, significant and intractable.

:namaste:
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Postby Dan74 » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:09 am

I would agree with Jechbi's point that such philosophical critiques are largely irrelevant to a serious practicing modern Christian. Besides if they feel so inclined, they will answer them on their ground, starting as they do from a different set of assumptions.

But again, experientially they miss the point, I agree.

Besides why is it important for Buddhist to feel superior to their old faith or some other faith? (rhetorical question, perhaps..)

On the other hand, having read the page, the material is interesting and though it is pretty patronizing of Christians, it does show just how much common ground for respect and understanding there is.

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Postby Dan74 » Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:09 am

Yes, fair enough. For me practice is something personal and I don't feel very much inclined to defend it as much as such activities could prove intellectually stimulating and even interesting in some respects. But others might.

Of course it doesn't have to, but it tends to.

I understand. And I hope that eventually even as people deepen and establish themselves in practice, an appreciation and respect for the beautiful and spiritually nurturing aspects of Christianity may develop.

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