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Did my Kamma make me write this?

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Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby alan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:00 pm

Sometimes I hear Kamma used in interesting ways, such as "It was my Kamma to find this teacher" or "It's just her Kamma, she can't understand this and has to follow a different path". The pop definition seems to carry with it implications of fate or destiny.
Does this usage reflect a proper understanding?

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:15 pm

no, the useage is more in keeping with the Hindu definition I believe. Kamma in buddhist terms is intention, the fruits of which (vipaka) don't necesarily have to operate in a specific fassion, like legal law where certain crimes are punishable in a set manner, such as parking offences results in fines. Vipaka on the other hand comes no matter what, but it isn't necesarily in operation when we meeting someone (unless we intended to meet that person), and the effect of the results of kamma aren't necessarily guaranteed either, we could end up in a really bad situation because of kamma but find it easy to deal with, or it just doesn't effect us, because of the results of our practice.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:29 pm

Strictly speaking, kamma is the cause, vipāka is the effect, but in general use kamma is used to mean the result or the latent predisposition to a certain kind of behaviour.

Intentional action (kamma), when repeated becomes habit, and habit builds character. It is much easier to follow the well-beaten track through the forest than to cut a new path.

However, kamma is not fate or predestination. Past life kamma is only one of many causes. The actions done earlier in this very life are also kamma, and the present effort is vital in determining the outcome.

Think of past kamma as the seed, and present life kamma as the soil, water, sunlight, and cultivation of the gardener. A mango seed has the potential to produce a mango tree and fresh mango fruits — it has no potential to produce chilis. A chilli seed has the potential to produce chillis — it has no potential to produce mangoes.

See the about the law of dependent origination. Avoid the two extremes of moral impotency on the one hand, and rigid determinism on the other.
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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby alan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:05 pm

Thanks for the link. I've set it aside to re-read in the morning. Is it fair to say, then, that spiritual inclination has nothing to do with Kamma? Some people start exploring at an early age, others don't ever care. Why is this?

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Postby salty-J » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:58 pm

I just read the link and it really is confusing how right view is not anihilationism and also not eternalism. Doesn't something either cease to exist, or continue to exist? I see how everything is in a constant state of change, no confusion about that, but why isn't that anihilation? just because of the fact that that thing that is no more had done actions which had effects that are still out there? :thinking:
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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby Jechbi » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:48 pm

Hi Alan,

In a different thread, I wrote about a person having the kamma to find a teacher. When I wrote that, I meant that a person finds a teacher due to volitional action. This kamma is both past and present. My understanding is that we make kamma right here and now, and also in concert with our inclinations based on past volitional action.

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby salty-J » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:26 pm

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby Prasadachitta » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:01 pm

Kamma is but one of the conditions which supports and sustains further Kamma. In other words it is a portion of the reason for your current action. There is a variety of types of conditions which support and sustain volitional action(kamma).

Conditions like

Biological
Physical
Psychological

And so on...

However our intention(Kamma) is a highly important condition which we tend not to give much attention to. To purify our intention would change the whole nature of our conditions radically. If we look into this and gain confidence in it we can unleash a force for positive transformation which is beyond our wildest dreams. This is what I call Buddhism and it makes me happy to contemplate.

May you all be well and Have a Happy New Year.

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby salty-J » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:05 pm

"It is what it is." -foreman infamous for throwing wrenches in fits of rage

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Re: Did my Kamma make me write this?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:56 pm

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Postby salty-J » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:13 am

"It is what it is." -foreman infamous for throwing wrenches in fits of rage

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